Law School Discussion

BTW,  in your post about lawyers going into the profession for the cash you write:

"Probably "I want to be a lawyer."
Not everyone is in it only for the money."

Then you claim that our entire medical infrastructure will crumble if doctors in this country make only as much as they do in Canada or England (which, btw, is like 20x the average salary for a family of four in those countries).

So, would you have it that prospective lawyers are altruists and prospective doctors are money-grubbing opportunists?

That's a pretty unconventional viewpoint.  Kind of a 180, really.

Don't be silly.
No one is 'altruistic'.
What I am saying is much different.
Especially for doctors.
The best doctors can make lots of cash - just like lawyers.
The difference is that while the world can do without more lawyers, we will always need more doctors.
So what is the motivation?
I want to be a lawyer - one benefit is a decent salary.  It isn't my main motivation, but it is part of plan that one day, I will earn seriously good money.
If I wanted to be a doctor, but I knew that my salary was capped and dependent only on tenure, I might not be so inclined to work as hard at a career in medicine.
It's not about altruism so much as reality.
If every lawyer was guaranteed to earn $40k first year and get 7% raises every year with a cap of $100k, the draw to the law would be limited.  That's basically what happens in the other government run jobs like teachers or cops.
Why think nationalized healthcare would be any different?
What's next, nationalized legal defense?  Oh wait - just talk to all those happy souls who work for the public defenders office.
I'm not sure things would be any different.

The reason the goverment can't handle anything is that Republicans are running it.

Nationalized health care doesn't sound "great."  It just sounds rational and reasonable.  It's not perfect and none of the proposed systems will permit you to have unnecessary heart transplants or laser surgery on the government's dime just for fun.  What will happen is that people will all have health care.  That's enough.

What "republican's are running it"?
Are they running the AMA?
Are they running the healthcare system?
What the heck do you mean?
So you want everyone to have healthcare?
Why not find a reasonable way to do it that doesn't require the government to run it and doesn't require every american with money to pay for health care for those with no money (unless they volunteer it)?
That's not what the democrat party is pushing.  They want socialized medicine where you are not allowed to have your pick of plans, doctors, insurers, etc.
Should we pay for the healthcare of anyone who makes it over the border illegaly as well?
Where does that money come from?  Can I sneak into canada for free healthcare, then sneak back here?
One major reason healthcare costs are so high is illegal aliens.  This is a fact.  I went to the large metro public hospital a few months back and the ER was jam packed with illegal aliens.  The doc told me (after I waited 4 hours with a bleeding cut) that most of them were illegal and that most of them come in and use the ER like a doctors office.  They never pay.  So who does?  Taxpaying citizens.
Will this problem dissapear if we nationalize medicine?  Or will our tax burden simply increase?
Will doctors earn less?  Should a doctor earn $40k a year?  How are the democrats planning on handling doctors wages, understaffing, cost of care, emerging healthcare technologies, and billing?  Will they force doctors unions, with standard pay raises ala the way our educational system "works"?
It sounds great.  But in reality, it is underdeveloped as a concept and requires serious review.
I was never talking about unneccessary surgery - I was talking about necessary, but not life threatening surgery.
For instance, my mother had her hip replaced.  She scheduled the surgery a few weeks out.
I have a cousin in Canada whose mother needed hip replacement surgery.  She was on a waiting list for 9 months, then got scheduled.  She didn't get to choose to have the best doctor available.  She suffered in pain with limited mobility for 9 months for no reason other than the downside of nationalized healthcare.
I'd love to see cheap healthcare for the underpriveledged.  Perhaps we could encourage some of those 'doctors without borders' to do a little more pro bono here at home instead.
Why can't we encourage free or low cost healthcare clinics instead?  Make them tax exempt.  Work with subsidies and private charity to fund it.
It would be a great place for young doctors to improve their skills and provide a great service as well.  Why can't we fund that instead and leave the rest alone?  Why shouldn't I be able to pick my plan, pick my doctor, and the rest?
There are ways to change the system without trashing the whole thing, don't you think?  Aren't there other solutions that make more sense?

What we can do is go to a system with national healthcare.  Posting supposed solutions to an anonymous dude's problems on a chat board he'll never read isn't going to do much.

It's also good that the OP posted this.  People should know what they're getting into.

Do you prefer Hillary's vision, where you don't get any choices and are forced to deal with government run hospitals and diminishing doctor skill or the system in Canada, where you have to wait 6-9 months for simple procedures?  
I'm not to fond of the idea of having to fly to india to have my appendix out because the government, who can't pave roads, also can't manage healthcare.
Like communsim, nationalized healthcare SOUNDS great.
But who runs it?  Government.
The same government who can't handle IRS returns that occur once a year.
The same government that can't find a way to pay benefits to soldiers home from war.
The same government that has 'congress' that meets 1-3 times a week, sometimes not meeting for weeks at a time.
Yeah.
And why would a student work hard to excel at undergrad and then kill themselves to become doctors again?  What is their motivation?  When the financial reward drops, so will the quality of our healthcare.
We don't need nationalized medicine - we need a shift in the way medicine is practiced from reactive to proactive and preventative.

Quote from: jeffislouie on December 18, 2007, 09:59:37 PM

I PM'd the guy on LSN to let him know what this fine, upstanding 'christian' was threatening.

how considerate of you.

I didn't think he'd appreciate christianlawyer09 threatening to ruin his career by falsely reporting that he was behaving unethically.
He is who he is and I am someone else.
Of course, Marshall would likely laugh at him, but ethically, I thought he at least deserved to know.

This guy is a total liar and impersonating a vet. 

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=jeffislouie

He's a freakin' 31 year old who was just accepted to John Marshall according to his posts on LSD and LSN.  I'm 31, and I was in the 8th grade in Desert Storm.  Real classy pretending to be a vet when you're not and making a mockery out of their pain, past and current.  What a loser.

Wrong dude, sir.
You should probably consider doing more research before you spout off at the 'christian' mouth.
Mmmm, Christ was big on investigating other people, jumping to conclusions, and threatening other people, right CHRISTIANlawyer09?I must have missed the portion of the bible that inspired you to behave like Christ and persecute someone else, making assumptions, harrassing them, and threatening to contact a law school to "report" something that has nothing to do with anything.
Very Christ-like.
Here's why douchebags like you will always suck -
If you are 31, then you were 15 or 16.  Apparently, you were in 8th grade.  That's something to brag about.
And while I did just get into Marshall, I'm not 31 - I'm 35.  Which would have made me 19 when I signed up.
But hey, keep on living the christian dream. 
You threatened to contact John Marshall - I sincerely hope you do.  Of course, the only way for your statement to have any creedence would require you to leave personal information.  Please do that as well.  I'm sure your school would like to hear that you are making threats and accusations based on circumstantial evidence.
One more thing - F this board.  I'm out.
I incorrectly thought this was a good place to share and gather information, but I was wrong.  It is a place overpopulated with egotistical morons and hypocrites with a severe shortage of ethical, reasonable people.
Too bad.