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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 05, 2008, 01:33:08 PM »
Barack Obama is our next President.

With that comes my support and the hope that he lives up to the words and ideals he expressed during his campaign.  I will support him as President and even though I may be critical of his actions, I will do so as respectfully as I can and defend his positions, when possible, with the same voracity and passion that I defended Bush's.

Obama isn't going to be the President of the Democrats among us, but rather the President of all of us.  I truly hope that the Republicans don't fall into the same trap the Democrats did over the last 8 years of trying to cast our President as a buffoon or a criminal.  BDS is a vile period of our history that did more to divide us than anything else.

Though I have been passionate in my support for McCain and staunchly against Obama, the time for that argument has passed and it is time for America to start a new chapter.

The Republican party, for which I cast my vote for the first time in my election history, needs to reform itself and become, once again, the party of big ideas, small government, and a message the people of the US can get on board with.  The Republican party needs to call a convention wherein they require every single Republican in office to sign an ethics clause.  In that clause, it should be expressly stated that unethical behavior will result in voluntary retirement and loss of all party priveledges.  For too long, the Republicans acted like big government, big spending liberals, making the case for conservative ideas weak and hypocritical.  This is an opportunity to rebuild the party and sign a new contract with America - one where values like honesty, integrity, and doing the work of the people are more important than elections, porked up bills, and fighting Democrats tooth and nail.

Regardless of our political differences, we must all recognize that what bonds us is stronger than the ideologies that separate us.  We have a new President and I call upon every American to choose to be respectful, honorable, and supportive.  Obama WILL make mistakes.  He very well may make things worse.  Many will find fault with his decisions.  I hope and pray that even in times that some consider to be dark, we forge ahead with a new ideal.  We can disagree without being devisive.  We can dissaprove without name calling.  We can be civil.

This thread is dead.  Sadly.  Many of you will miss some of the regular characters, all of whom posted passionately.  Some of us were seen as heels and some as hero's.  Those of us who were heels, I believe, argued their points for the right reasons.  I saw very little actual hate.  If I upset of offended, I apologize.



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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 04, 2008, 10:35:11 PM »
I thought I would post on election day to say that I voted and eagerly anticipate a tight race.

That said, in reviewing some of my posts here I came upon a news story that required that I clarify.

At some point I may have implied that Obama's trip to Hawaii to visit his grandmother was suspicious.  This was based on reports that she was, in fact, not in bad shape and doing well.  That, combined with the fact that he left his wife and kids behind, seemed to send a message that there was an ulterior motive.  Having lost all of my grandparents, I know that if I was married with children, I would have done anything an everything to make sure that they got a chance to say goodbye.  That said, it is not my intention to cast any dispersions on Obama for deciding differently.  Every man makes his decisions differently.

After hearing that his grandmother passed away, I was immediately reminded of the loss of my own grandfather just a few short months ago.  My heart goes out to Obama and his family for this loss.  Though I disagree with many of his positions, he is still a human being and deserves to be treated as such.  Perhaps we lose that connection when politics muddles our views.  I am truly sorry for Obama and wish him, of course, no ill will.  I am quite sure that her passing has taken an enormous emotional toll on him and I applaud him for keeping it together as well as he has.  My heart goes out to his family.  Hopefully, once this election has been decided, he takes the time to properly mourn the loss and finds the comfort in god and family that everyone who suffers a loss like this deserves and, in fact, needs.

The best part of the election, so far as I can tell, is that it is almost over and we can all go back to being a little more civil to each other (a boy can dream!).

Good luck to both sides and their supporters.  This one should be close and regardless of the outcome, it will surely be a historic election.



This was classy.

Don't tell anyone....
I'm much better enjoyed when hated and reviled...
 ;D

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 04, 2008, 05:36:20 PM »
I thought I would post on election day to say that I voted and eagerly anticipate a tight race.

That said, in reviewing some of my posts here I came upon a news story that required that I clarify.

At some point I may have implied that Obama's trip to Hawaii to visit his grandmother was suspicious.  This was based on reports that she was, in fact, not in bad shape and doing well.  That, combined with the fact that he left his wife and kids behind, seemed to send a message that there was an ulterior motive.  Having lost all of my grandparents, I know that if I was married with children, I would have done anything an everything to make sure that they got a chance to say goodbye.  That said, it is not my intention to cast any dispersions on Obama for deciding differently.  Every man makes his decisions differently.

After hearing that his grandmother passed away, I was immediately reminded of the loss of my own grandfather just a few short months ago.  My heart goes out to Obama and his family for this loss.  Though I disagree with many of his positions, he is still a human being and deserves to be treated as such.  Perhaps we lose that connection when politics muddles our views.  I am truly sorry for Obama and wish him, of course, no ill will.  I am quite sure that her passing has taken an enormous emotional toll on him and I applaud him for keeping it together as well as he has.  My heart goes out to his family.  Hopefully, once this election has been decided, he takes the time to properly mourn the loss and finds the comfort in god and family that everyone who suffers a loss like this deserves and, in fact, needs.

The best part of the election, so far as I can tell, is that it is almost over and we can all go back to being a little more civil to each other (a boy can dream!).

Good luck to both sides and their supporters.  This one should be close and regardless of the outcome, it will surely be a historic election.


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 01, 2008, 07:11:54 PM »
What's he supposed to have been doing, if not that? Putting his campaign on hold to conduct an affair, or something? Meeting with terrorists? Bombing Pearl Harbor?


Keeping her quiet!  Forging his own birth certificate!

I heard the liberal media has video of Barack committing terroristic acts (not bombing an abortion clinic though, cause that's not terrorism) but is suppressing it because they want to violate Sarah Palin's First Amendment rights.



I know, I know!  It must be a terrorist act against Israel with his Palestinian friend, all in the service of starting the Second Holocaust!  He says "whitey" on it, too!

Fact:  Obama, while speaking at an AIPAC event, said that Jerusalem "will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."  Then, a few hours later, said: "Well, obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. And Jerusalem will be part of those negotiations."  His campaing spokesman later said his campaign considers it "impossible to make progress on serious peace talks without putting the future of Jerusalem on the table."

Obama is not the strong supporter of Israel he lies about being.

Which is why many in the jewish community think an Obama Presidency may just lead to the end of Israel....

Obama has said, repeatedly, whatever he thought the crowd wanted to hear, then changed his position later.

Anyone care to defend his ridiculous response to Russia's aggression towards Georgia?  You remember, right?  When he said the UN Security council should step in to stop Russia, not realizing (and apparently this slipped the minds of his army of advisers too) that Russia has veto power over that group?

Yeah.  Obama isn't even close to ready to deal with foreign policy.  And neither is Joe Biden.

I found particular delight when Iran laid down preconditions to any talk with the United States, especially in light of Obama's naive statement that he would meet with leaders of Iran without precondition.  It turns out, that wasn't just a huge blunder that folks like you are too quick to forgive, but a true sign of weakness that the world is itching to exploit.


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 01, 2008, 07:02:41 PM »
The best, and a current, example of each candidate's executive abilities is how they've conducted their campaigns.  Make of that what you will.

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Jeffislouie, if you are unprepared to defend the hideous things Rush Limbaugh had you writing about Obama's not understanding and respecting the constitution, you should apologize for having written them.  You may disagree with him about constitutional interpretation (though I'm not sure why you would since by all informed accounts he is a temperate centrist), but I think you can do so without claiming that he's somehow a treasonous traitor.

Meanwhile, if you really think Obama doesn't understand the constitution, do you care to defend this from your #2?

I really have nothing more to say about your cut-and-paste job from Newsmax or wherever except that I am struck by your casual winks to bigotry ("marriage, currently defined as being between a man and a woman") and your credulity with respect to the worst smears ("you probably thought that he really went to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother because she was in bad shape"; "allegedly selling drugs"; etc). 




Yes.  Rush Limbaugh had me write all of this.  And it is an example of bigotry to believe that marriage is currently defined as being between a man and a woman.  And I'm sure that Obama's grandmother was terribly ill, which is why he didn't take Michelle and the kids with to see her.  And Obama admitted to selling and buying drugs, including cocaine.  As a matter of fact, Obama said that the only reason he didn't do heroin was that he didn't like the drug dealers approach.

I will happily defend Palin's comment.  Asking questions about a potential president's association, positions and beliefs should not be censored by anyone and should be fair game.  Let's try and play a little game:  think back to 2000, where the press hammered Bush with stories about alcoholism and drug use.  Were you upset by that?  No - bc it's fair game when it is a republican being hammered.  Palin is concerned with the media's obvious liberal tilt when instead of investigating and producing journalism, they call her campaigning negative.  She has a right to free speech and I don't have an issue with anything she said in that story.

I didn't imply that Obama was treasonous or a traitor.  I stated that he intends to cheat the system to change the constitution through judges instead of amendments.  I take issue with his continued attack on the 2nd amendment and his desire to squelch honest reporting.  He doesn't give tough interviews.  He throws newspapers off the campaign trail because the papers endorse his opponent.  I take issue with the idea that he has used the media, most of whom obviously are in the tank for him, to spread lies about his past, his association, and his positions while encouraging them (helping in some cases) to try and destroy Sarah Palin.

Don't accuse me of talking points by throwing your own at me.  My opinions are a result of independent study of the campaign and the small amount of publicly available information on Barack Obama.  It is not unpatriotic to demand that a Presidential candidate tell the truth, share records, and be able to prove his citizenship.  Why it doesn't concern you that the only evidence provided by Obama's citizenship is a document that has been altered by photoshop is beyond me.  Why you don't care that he has had close personal association with racists, terrorists, and radicals is beyond me.  Why you can't be bothered to defend your own candidate and instead demand that I defend my own positions is beyond me.

Worst of all, sucker like you think your candidate is a 'moderate'.  Interesting falsehood you seem to enjoy spreading.

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

"Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted;"

In 2007, he was listed as the NUMBER ONE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR. 

That's not a moderate and it is not an example of bipartisanship.  It is an example of exactly how not- moderate Obama is.

But keep telling yourself that he's a moderate.  Keep pretending he'll reach across the aisle.  Keep believing that the lies he's been caught in aren't that bad.  Keep pretending that Obama is truly moderate.

Nonsense makes some people happy, but not me.  I prefer fact to fiction and substance over style...

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 01, 2008, 06:45:57 PM »
JIL, can you point out something John Mccain has been in charge of, but hasn't screwed up? Not a committee he was on, but something he ran, he had total control over its success(like his planes, his first marriage), and it actually succeeded. Once you can make a substantial list, then you can argue the exectuive experience over Obama. Until then, drop it.

No problem.  Google is awesome.
After returning from Vietnam beaten but not broken, he went through a painful and grueling rehab, went back to school, and ended up the commanding officer of a training squadron in Florida.  He improved the unit's flight readiness and safety records, and won the squadron its first-ever Meritorious Unit Commendation.

I'll go ahead and guess by your snarky post that this sort of thing is insignificant to you.  After all, compared to Obama's long list of successful ventures, improving a training squadron and winning a military commendation for it seems so insignificant and I'm sure required absolutely no leadership ability.

Yes.  McCain is divorced.  To a woman who remains friendly with him.  And hasn't ever had to pay any medical bills.  Yes.  Congratulations, you've latched on to a personal issue with no bearing to the election and decided that it negates the rest of his successes.  Of course, you likely have no issue with a family member of his living in a run down hut on $1200 a year or his aunt, an admitted illegal alien, living in the slums of Boston (when she decides to live here).  And you probably thought that he really went to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother because she was in bad shape, which is why he left his wife and kids at home and spent so little time with her.

So let's see - a marriage, currently defined as being between a man and a woman, ends.  That man and woman have an uncontested divorce, remain friends, John McCain admits blame in public, and his ex-wife forgives him and you just can't because it is so your business what happened to John McCain's marriage in 1976.  Where was Barrack Obama in 1976?  I wonder if that's when he was using drugs or allegedly selling them.... 

To be honest, it's sort of difficult to figure out what Barry's been doing most of his life.  I mean, I know he's been running for President for over 2 years now.  I know he was a US Senator for 2 years, a seat he won by dishonoring his Republican opponent by making sure his private, sealed divorce records were given to the local media outlets.  Before that, I know he was a state Senator (In my home state) where he buddied up to corrupt politicians like Emil Jones.  While there, he managed to vote 'Present' alot, as reported by the NYT here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Oh wait!  He's already explained that.  Mr. Super Smarty Pants hit the wrong button at least SIX WHOLE TIMES.  Sorry.  He only voted present 124 times.

Before that?  He worked closely with Bill Ayers giving education grants to radical leftist groups to teach kids to become radicals.  And turned down every single request for money for math and science programs.  As a matter of fact, by all accounts the millions Obama was directly responsible for funding (Including Rev. Wright and Ayers' own pet projects), were wasted.  Well geez, what do you know?  According to this report by the University of Chicago (http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/downloads/p62.pdf) the Chicago Annenberg Challenge had "little impact on student outcomes".  In the real world that means that it didn't work.  It turns out funding radical 'partners' doesn't help in areas where the schools themselves could put that same money to good use by improving the quality of education.

Before that?  He was a 'lecturer' at the U of C law school.  Odd that none of his students have come forward to discuss his brilliance.  Also odd that every person I've heard interviewed that also taught at the U of C said he was a far left liberal who was rude and refused to have contact with people he disagreed with.

Before that?  He went to law school.

Before that?  He was a community organizer.  Of course, we haven't read about any of the success he had doing that - we don't know much about what he actually did as a community organizer.  Did he make his community better?  Who cares?  He's awesome!

Before that? College.

So let's see:  McCain has served his country since 1958.  He's sponsored major legislation, has a history of working with both parties, has a history of taking on democrats and republicans alike, has been fighting for health care reform, election finance reform, pork barrel spending reform, environmental policy reform, and has a long voting record and history that is both easily accessible and completely transparent.

And we have Barack Obama.  A man who wrote two books before he did anything with his life.  A man who's voting record is short and was too often a 'present' vote.  A man who has changed every position he's ever taken based on the situation and how it might effect his chances.  A man who is involved with dirty people and dirty politics.  A man who can't admit he was wrong about the surge.  A man who convinces folks like you that associations with people like Khalidi, Wright, Pflager, Rezko, and Ayers are of no consequence, but McCain's associations with Bush (whom McCain was often critical of) is of consequence.  A man who is more responsible for the financial meltdown of Fannie and Freddie in every possible way than John McCain.  A man who wants to raise taxes on folks as we enter a potential recession (great depression was a fluke, not at all extended by democratic tax increases).  A man who wants to change the constitution from the bench.  A man who has ran far more negative campaign ads than his opponent yet has managed to sucker people into believing his opponent has run a negative campaign.  A man who outspent the ENTIRE Republican party.  A man who has outspent his opponent by over $300 million because he broke his promise to rely on public funding only.  A man who has lied to his supporters over and over again. 

Yeah.  The choice is simple.  I don't want to live in a reality where people elect a president based on how cool he seems and how black he is.

You all might have missed this little gem, which is evidence that race is indeed a factor and substance is of no consequence.

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

The choice is clear.  Substance over style.  History and experience over flash and buzzwords.  Fact over fiction.
The Obama campaign is already working on ways to lower expectations because they know Obama runs a real risk of turning all of this excitement and energy into despair.....

Over promise and under deliver.  That's Obama's strategy.




I'll highlight here what is actually about Mccain's executive ability. It's in bold. You do realized that's all you have. I asked for a "substantial list", and you said that he commanded a training school that didn't blow up and actually improved. That's impressive and all, but even you should acknowledge that is not a history of "executive experience". It is one example. Hi-5. He did well, according to you (I didn't care to look it up- I'll take your word that what you said is true and that he hasn't screwed everything up he has run).

But here's one: Barack Obama ran Harvard Law Review. And he didn't use his father's connections to get the job. I don't know how hard either is, but there is an example of him running arguably the highest profile position for any student at any Law School in the country. I know its not much, but neither is training pilots. I'm sorry. And, of course, Obama didn't use his position to travel across the country to cheat on his wife.

But Harvard Law Review isn't that much, I'm assuming, in your opinion, and it isn't, when compared to a presidency. But neither is directing a training squadron. They are both equally inexperienced in executive positions.

Here, read this about John Mccain. It's obviously biased, but still interesting none the less. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain


Arguably the weakest argument I've read on LSD to date.  Running a training squadron IS DIRECT EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE.  The fact that he did it well enough to earn that squadron it's first ever commendation IS an example of success.  Obama got onto the Harvard Law review because:
1)  His grades were good
2)  He writes well
3)  He's black

Being the editor of the HLR IS impressive, but has absolutely nothing to do with executive experience.  Of course, there is no measuring stick for how well he did either.

Yet again, you bring up McCain cheating on his wife.  And once again I'll point you back to my post where I explained that your opinion is of no consequence.  That was 30 years ago, his ex-wife is still close to him, and she has forgiven him.  So why can't you?  Is it because you've been cheated on or because you hold fidelity so close to your heart?  You must HATE Bill Clinton too (though I doubt that very much).

Your post is illustrative of a closed mind and intellectual bankruptcy at its finest....

I'd love to hear why you think I should produce an exhaustive list of McCain's executive experience when you can't even point out ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE OF OBAMA'S!  Sort of a dishonest argument, don't you think?

Technically, I have more executive experience than Obama.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 01, 2008, 06:40:51 PM »
McRage is a d-bag.

Yeah. We wouldn't want a President to ever get mad.

So do me a favor and give me some examples of McCain's "rage".

Thanks.

ummm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSlAJ5hkAC4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2D_mhqDRBY&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsJHZAqnvuQ&feature=related





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg

I didn't see any rage there at all.  I saw a situation that was handled respectfully and without 'rage'.  Seems to me like he was taking exception to the woman's comments and asking that people be respectful of differing opinions.  Nothing I saw in that video was at all an example of bad judgment that I could see.  Feel free to explain what you saw that was so objectionable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSlAJ5hkAC4&feature=related

Big. Freaking. Deal.  You mean he gets testy sometimes?  I'm sure he's the only one.  This video is so devoid of any real substance that I would consider it irrelevant.  He told a fellow republican 'f-u', then later apologized?  HOW AWFUL!  I guess that's a real issue.  You must have been one of the people who were upset when Pelosi called Bush a total failure, Harry Reid called Bush an idiot, and Murtha accused marines who were later acquitted on all charges 'murderers'.  Oh wait, those are DEMOCRATS saying that, so it's okay....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2D_mhqDRBY&NR=1

This video shows a stupid reporter asking a stupid question and him responding.  I didn't detect 'rage' and he explained why the question didn't make sense.  Her asking him why he's so angry doesn't mean he was angry - it means she's too sensitive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsJHZAqnvuQ&feature=related

This video shows McCain explaining the perception that he is angry.  Guess what?  I WANT a passionate President.  I want someone who cares enough about America's problems to get angry.

If this is the best you've got as 'proof' of McCain's 'rage', then you have nothing and have again proven that you are more than happy to swallow democrat talking points.

How about I make the accusation that Howard Dean, Chairman of the DNC and the man responsible for the massive partisan problems faced by congress, is insane, then just use as proof some video examples that don't prove anything?  Will you NOT vote for Obama?

I didn't think so, but just for fun, here's a neat accusation:

Barack Obama has been late to work more often than he's been on time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9W24oMIRc

Can America afford a President who is always late?  By your logic, he can't be a good President because he's a man who doesn't care about other people's time......




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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 01, 2008, 01:18:00 AM »
McRage is a d-bag.

Yeah.  We wouldn't want a President to ever get mad.

So do me a favor and give me some examples of McCain's "rage".

Thanks.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: November 01, 2008, 01:16:58 AM »
JIL, can you point out something John Mccain has been in charge of, but hasn't screwed up? Not a committee he was on, but something he ran, he had total control over its success(like his planes, his first marriage), and it actually succeeded. Once you can make a substantial list, then you can argue the exectuive experience over Obama. Until then, drop it.

No problem.  Google is awesome.
After returning from Vietnam beaten but not broken, he went through a painful and grueling rehab, went back to school, and ended up the commanding officer of a training squadron in Florida.  He improved the unit's flight readiness and safety records, and won the squadron its first-ever Meritorious Unit Commendation.

I'll go ahead and guess by your snarky post that this sort of thing is insignificant to you.  After all, compared to Obama's long list of successful ventures, improving a training squadron and winning a military commendation for it seems so insignificant and I'm sure required absolutely no leadership ability.

Yes.  McCain is divorced.  To a woman who remains friendly with him.  And hasn't ever had to pay any medical bills.  Yes.  Congratulations, you've latched on to a personal issue with no bearing to the election and decided that it negates the rest of his successes.  Of course, you likely have no issue with a family member of his living in a run down hut on $1200 a year or his aunt, an admitted illegal alien, living in the slums of Boston (when she decides to live here).  And you probably thought that he really went to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother because she was in bad shape, which is why he left his wife and kids at home and spent so little time with her.

So let's see - a marriage, currently defined as being between a man and a woman, ends.  That man and woman have an uncontested divorce, remain friends, John McCain admits blame in public, and his ex-wife forgives him and you just can't because it is so your business what happened to John McCain's marriage in 1976.  Where was Barrack Obama in 1976?  I wonder if that's when he was using drugs or allegedly selling them.... 

To be honest, it's sort of difficult to figure out what Barry's been doing most of his life.  I mean, I know he's been running for President for over 2 years now.  I know he was a US Senator for 2 years, a seat he won by dishonoring his Republican opponent by making sure his private, sealed divorce records were given to the local media outlets.  Before that, I know he was a state Senator (In my home state) where he buddied up to corrupt politicians like Emil Jones.  While there, he managed to vote 'Present' alot, as reported by the NYT here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Oh wait!  He's already explained that.  Mr. Super Smarty Pants hit the wrong button at least SIX WHOLE TIMES.  Sorry.  He only voted present 124 times.

Before that?  He worked closely with Bill Ayers giving education grants to radical leftist groups to teach kids to become radicals.  And turned down every single request for money for math and science programs.  As a matter of fact, by all accounts the millions Obama was directly responsible for funding (Including Rev. Wright and Ayers' own pet projects), were wasted.  Well geez, what do you know?  According to this report by the University of Chicago (http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/downloads/p62.pdf) the Chicago Annenberg Challenge had "little impact on student outcomes".  In the real world that means that it didn't work.  It turns out funding radical 'partners' doesn't help in areas where the schools themselves could put that same money to good use by improving the quality of education.

Before that?  He was a 'lecturer' at the U of C law school.  Odd that none of his students have come forward to discuss his brilliance.  Also odd that every person I've heard interviewed that also taught at the U of C said he was a far left liberal who was rude and refused to have contact with people he disagreed with.

Before that?  He went to law school.

Before that?  He was a community organizer.  Of course, we haven't read about any of the success he had doing that - we don't know much about what he actually did as a community organizer.  Did he make his community better?  Who cares?  He's awesome!

Before that? College.

So let's see:  McCain has served his country since 1958.  He's sponsored major legislation, has a history of working with both parties, has a history of taking on democrats and republicans alike, has been fighting for health care reform, election finance reform, pork barrel spending reform, environmental policy reform, and has a long voting record and history that is both easily accessible and completely transparent.

And we have Barack Obama.  A man who wrote two books before he did anything with his life.  A man who's voting record is short and was too often a 'present' vote.  A man who has changed every position he's ever taken based on the situation and how it might effect his chances.  A man who is involved with dirty people and dirty politics.  A man who can't admit he was wrong about the surge.  A man who convinces folks like you that associations with people like Khalidi, Wright, Pflager, Rezko, and Ayers are of no consequence, but McCain's associations with Bush (whom McCain was often critical of) is of consequence.  A man who is more responsible for the financial meltdown of Fannie and Freddie in every possible way than John McCain.  A man who wants to raise taxes on folks as we enter a potential recession (great depression was a fluke, not at all extended by democratic tax increases).  A man who wants to change the constitution from the bench.  A man who has ran far more negative campaign ads than his opponent yet has managed to sucker people into believing his opponent has run a negative campaign.  A man who outspent the ENTIRE Republican party.  A man who has outspent his opponent by over $300 million because he broke his promise to rely on public funding only.  A man who has lied to his supporters over and over again. 

Yeah.  The choice is simple.  I don't want to live in a reality where people elect a president based on how cool he seems and how black he is.

You all might have missed this little gem, which is evidence that race is indeed a factor and substance is of no consequence.

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

The choice is clear.  Substance over style.  History and experience over flash and buzzwords.  Fact over fiction.
The Obama campaign is already working on ways to lower expectations because they know Obama runs a real risk of turning all of this excitement and energy into despair.....

Over promise and under deliver.  That's Obama's strategy.



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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: October 31, 2008, 04:31:06 PM »
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John McCain was a bomber pilot, which may explain why he didn't blow up very many planes numbnuts.

Bomber pilots rarely, if ever, shoot down planes.  The drop bombs on target.

Stop being an idiot.  Thank you.
 

No silly, John McCain crashed his OWN planes due to ineptitude.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aviator6-2008oct06,0,7633315.story


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What an excellent point.  McCain wasn't the best pilot the world has ever seen.  That certainly is far more damaging than say, lying to your constituents and pretending that associating with terrorists, marxist, black seperationists, racists, and PLO spokesmen.

It's called a cheap shot, and like all cheap shots is completely irrelevant and obnoxious (as well as disrespectful).

To the scumbag who originally posted that nonsense - how many planes have you flown?  How much time did you serve in the military?  How many years were you tortured by America's enemies?

Ooooh!  A better question!

Tell me what Obama has done, besides write a couple of books, that shows any leadership whatsoever?  Run for President?
He was elected to serve in the state senate by secretly pressuring others to release sealed divorce records from his opponent.  Once that came out, he decried it as irrelevant and won handily when his opponent dropped out of the race.  While a state senator, he did virtually nothing.  Then he ran for US senate, where he has done nothing.  When elected to the US senate, he said that he wasn't ready to be President and that it would be years before he was. 

Do us all a favor and take his word for it.

Obama is the WORST possible candidate for President.  He's outspent McCain by close to double (About $300 million).  He outspent ALL Republicans COMBINED.  And he can't manage more than a few points in the polls.

All while pretending to give two rat turds about the middle class.  He's happy to take their money and spend it wastefully.  Who cares that any moron could have pulled a double digit lead by spending $630 million plus? 

This must be the change you want - lies, corruption, dirty Chicago politics, first amendment attacks, second amendment attacks, guarantees of socialism, wealth redistribution and a disdain for the constitution he very well may be sworn to defend and protect.

Law students.  LAW students who support a guy who wants to avoid the legislative process entirely and push for constitutional amendment via activist judges.  Law students who don't care about integrity, truth, or justice.  Law students who think emotionally instead of logically.

Truly dissapointing.

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