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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Bummed out...low diagnostic score
« on: July 15, 2007, 06:16:11 PM »
That's not what I was saying at all.

I'm saying the 10 point bump was in addition to the 5 point overprediction.  In effect, a black guy with a 160 gets admitted with white kids as if he had a 170, but performs as though he had a 155.

Overprediction...the LSAT favors blacks.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: ION, ETA.
« on: July 15, 2007, 06:14:17 PM »
You snooze you lose.  She's a prime target.

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Relax.  You've only messed up once.  There's still one more time before you absolutely have to have your applications in.

Don't worry.  The difference between a 150 and a 170 isn't, say, about 120 thousand dollars a year once you're out of law school. 

I'm sure you'll be able to pay off your crushing debts even if you don't attend a top school!  They make like 20 dollars an hour.  120k in debt is NOTHING.

It's also not like nearly 50% of retakers do WORSE the second time.  It's also not the case that, even among those who improve, the improvement is generally only 1-3 points.

ohh, wait...nevermind

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: ION, ETA.
« on: July 15, 2007, 06:10:43 PM »
Need help?

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Bummed out...low diagnostic score
« on: July 15, 2007, 05:03:52 PM »
Even if your good LSAT score gets you into law school, you really don't deserve to be there, and you'll probably just fail all your classes anyway.

Well, Justice Thomas would probably agree with that to a good extent.  Would you say he is unqualified to make such a judgment?


I would say you're unqualified to speech on his behalf.

Who, pray tell, is he qualified to speech for?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: ION, ETA.
« on: July 15, 2007, 03:51:36 PM »
I'm trying to figure out how we can lure dashrashi into posting in SFLSD more.

Hmmm...


::bakes fragrant cookies, leaves door invitingly ajar::



Show some skin/throw your pu$$y at her.

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pseudo-intellectuals were lined up and summarily shot.


Is there another group of people in such desperate need of a kick to the nuts?

you mean most of the population of ann arbor?

Haven't spent any time there to speak of.  If it's anything like Cambridge, California and some suburbs of Chicago, yes.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Bummed out...low diagnostic score
« on: July 15, 2007, 03:11:40 PM »
Internet is the safest place to become a racist. lol I personally think basketball players are way hotter than lawyers. (Hey, no offense to all you smart people  :P)

Repeating LSAC and ABA statistics is racist?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: ION, ETA.
« on: July 15, 2007, 02:07:57 PM »
Cady, why do you always have such hideously ugly tars?

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Bummed out...low diagnostic score
« on: July 15, 2007, 02:05:10 PM »
That's just stupid.  The LSAT is hugely correlated with 1l grades.

Honestly, please, no one listen to this guy.

Yes, of the individual quantitative measures currently used, the LSAT is the most predictive (although there are some other hybrid measures, such as UGPA combined with LSAT scores that seem to work a little better).

However, that does not mean IL grades and LSAT scores are "hugely" correlated. Anyone with a background in statistics/psychometrics who has taken the time to actually look at LSAC's data critically will see that the supposed correlation is fairly weak.

Also, as others have pointed out, there are massive methodological issues associated with studies that seek to establish such correlations,  the most glaring of which, at least to my way of thinking, being the weakness or absence of control groups in most IL classes (this is especially the case when evaluating classes at top schools).

Look, I'm not saying that the LSAT is useless as a tool. Far from that. I am merely attempting to prevent this discussion from drifting too far from reality based reality.

The test is the single most important factor in determining ones chances of being admitted to a given law school, and should therefore be taken very seriously. However, constantly trumpeting the test's wonderful predictive powers, as you do Judge, serves only to mystify the LSAT, and that does a disservice to those people who come to this board seeking advice on how to approach it.


I didn't say it was wonderfully predictive.  It does have some glaring problems.  For example, it overpredicts black 1L performance by a margin of about 5 test points.  IE the black who scores a 160 (and because of AA will get into schools as if he was white and had a 170) will, on average, perform at the level of a 155 taker.

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