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« on: December 30, 2007, 04:26:03 PM »
Is everyone here still planning to retake? Did you start with the books or dive right into the practice tests? I'm still debating and only have about 3-4 days to make up my mind.
I took 4 practice tests over a two week period to try to evaluate my biggest weaknesses before going to the books.. After analyzing, I saw that I had missed less than 1 a test on LG and 3 a test on RC.. so I ordered the logic reasoning bible because of my 5 a section misses on it... hopefully that helps
should i be able to get through the LRB in january?
« on: December 28, 2007, 12:53:06 AM »
That said, I just finished reading 1L and, aside from thinking they were a bunch of drama queens, I couldn't help but be stricken by the thought of how much law school would have had to suck without modern information processing that we have.
I assume you mean the book by Turow, which I'm reading now, and I completely agree. I'm about 2/3 of the way through the book and I keep thinking the students are being such wusses, and that they are overdramatic about things. I read alot, and it is one of the most depressing books I have ever read. The scene where Perini yells at the kid for not being prepared was not even a big deal imo. The kid was at fault, and Perini was angry with him. Nothing more. I played high school and college sports, and I got ridiculed by well intentioned people in an aggressive manner all the time. To think that, of all the problems going on at HLS in that book, the students would come after a prof over that is absurd. Grow up, kids.
My mom got it for me for xmas and it has only made me secondguess my decision to go to lawschool. Thanks, mom.
Sorry for the OT rant.
« on: December 22, 2007, 08:28:21 PM »
Why is Yale not on that thing? Is it LSAC's way of telling me I have no chance? Harsh.
« on: December 21, 2007, 12:17:09 PM »
I am strongly considering retaking, but my last test (166) in june was so long ago I dont know if a month is really enough time to prep correctly and what if any an improved score will do to help my applications this cycle. That being said the recent scales from sept and dec compared to the june scale make me want to retake....
i've seen the december scale and the june one.. what was the september one like?
hey yossarian, i'm reading about you right now... you keep cracking me up and i'm only like a 1/3 of the way through the book.. keep up the good work
« on: December 18, 2007, 04:25:44 PM »
So where would a vandy grad need to finish in his/her class to get a 165k big law job in nyc?
« on: December 17, 2007, 10:07:01 PM »
Are you taking the February test?
« on: December 17, 2007, 10:05:21 PM »
Residency: It's difficult to obtain, especially in Oregon. You have to prove commitment to living and working in the state, and I'm not sure if there's a way to get residency without moving to Oregon at least a year before attending school.
Thankfully it's not much of an issue at either of the schools. The residency tuition is only a few thousand less than non-resident at Oregon, and it's obviously a non-factor at LC.
Aid Packages: LC obviously offers better packages, but it also costs more. If I remember correctly their scholarships are contingent on remaining in the top 1/3 of the class, which was too risky for me. My LSAT was 165, so I was in the higher end of their range. They offered me 12,000/yr, full gov't loans, and 13,000 in "alternative loans." They budgeted about 45,000 for total yearly expenses, so that 12K would have left 33,000 a year.
I think 100,000 was far more than I'm willing to commit to, considering the type of law I want to practice. Include the risk of losing my scholarship and that 100K could jump another 25K.
From all evidence I've seen Oregon offers a max of 7-8K, which isn't a great deal. But I've heard that their scholarships aren't as risky, too. Taking 8K from 24K leaves 16K/yr, and I figure another 11-12k/yr for living, books, etc. So I'm figuring anywhere from 75K minimum to 100K max.
Though the admissions staff were very friendly at LC, I was less than impressed with their desire to negogiate aid packages. I've also heard rumors of a strict curve, of which part time students are supposedly part of (someone should confirm this). The problem with this is said to be that there is a handful of part time students that don't actually work, but get more time to study and a better opportunity to perform better.
Living/cost of living: Perhaps the biggest difference between the schools. As stated LC has a gorgeous campus, located right next to a forest/park (with trails). The law school is removed from the UG campus (which is also beautiful). LC sits on top of a large hill, off Terwilliger Blvd. T-Blvd is extremely busy, and traffic can be a problem. Depending on where you live having a bike will be a pain, unless you love trekking up a long, windy hill.
LC is removed from the "city" part of Portland, and is far more suburban. Rents in this area aren't terrible, but I've heard it's sometimes hard to find good housing. I'd figure around 600 or so for a one bedroom, and obviously the price will fluctuate from there. It's mostly apartment complexes, rented out rooms, studios, duplexes, etc. You're not far from downtown Portland, and the public transportation is really good. Perhaps someone who is more familiar with this area can provide more details?
Eugene is a typical college town. The university (and the downtown) is removed from the business/commercial area of Eugene. Obviously it's smaller and cheaper than living in Portland, but not by a great deal. As college towns go it's a bit harder to find housing - you have to start early, research the good and bad complexes/houses, etc. Obviously UO will be a large presence and a large part of life in Eugene.
Honestly I don't think the living will feel different in either place, but the difference will come with what you do with your free time (and where). Portland isn't far from Eugene, though, and it's easier to get to the ocean or mountains/rivers from Eugene (I think).
Programs/Curricula: Assuming we're talking environmental law, LC is the stronger program, and better regarded regionally and nationally. However, Oregon still have a very good reputation, and I honestly feel you'll be fine at either school. My plan, if I attend UO, is to spend a year at LC in the PEAC program, and taking some of those unique courses that aren't offered anywhere else. But at the same time I can take advantage of Oregon's own environmental law programs and clinics. I'm too lazy to dig out my info on the two programs, so if you're interested you'll have to look that up on your own.
As I said earlier I like the dual degree options that Oregon offers over and above the certificate programs LC offers.
Bottom Line: Both places have their pros and cons, and I've went over earlier why I like Oregon over LC. There are some that swear by LC, those that swear by Oregon, and those that think you'll be fine at both. I'm of the latter thought.
I applied to LC last year, but not Oregon (because I was convinced I hated Eugene, LC had a better e-law program, and I was in love with the school). I was admitted to "better" schools than LC, but they were in my final 4 (along with Colorado, Hastings, and Davis). I ultimately decided Hastings and Davis would be the better choice, but I was waitlisted at Washington and UCLA, so I waited them out. I didn't get into either, and I decided that a year off might be beneficial.
I'm still not sure if I'm going to reapply to LC.
thanks for all the info.. good insight
« on: December 17, 2007, 04:02:04 PM »
I'm pretty sure I want to do environmental law, so obviously L & C is a top choice. Is the campus rural? How can it be in the city of Portland and next to a state park? Are the classes really competitive over scholarships, like someone said?
On a side note, Oregon came up.. how good is their environmental law program? Even with L & C? A little below, or a alot below?
« on: December 17, 2007, 03:56:33 PM »
february test be hardest ever. This is credited. She said this about the June test, and now no law school wants to admit me.
there you go: the bear facts.
"bear" facts? stupid, condescending, & annoying; great qualities to have there buddy.
to defend julie and become another one of her pawns, she said it because the poster she quoted is named bearly legal
« on: December 17, 2007, 03:53:49 PM »
Jeffort's right, the games questions in the Kaplan 180 book do NOT come from actual tests. During the course of my preparation, I used a couple of days to go through the games in that book and found them largely useless. They were usually pretty bizarre games with atypical setups, less than "elegant" inferences, and just an unnecessary degree of complication. Of course, Kaplan touts these factors as reasons why their preparation materials are effective, but I just thought they were dumb.
TITCR... They are extremely different, and largely a waste of time, although they are better than doing nothing, of course. They actually have a whole section dedicated to a type of game that hasn't been used since like 95, in which they warn you that you should be prepared for anything.
Crunchy,what did you think of their Logic Reasoning prep? Thats my weakness and the reason i got the book
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