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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted 08/09
« on: March 03, 2009, 04:06:01 PM »
Sapphire was rude, but I do think that Trev came off pretty rude as well.

we have very similar cycles, npe. What are you thinking right now? Who's number one?

G-Dub's the favorite right now, but the free ride at UIUC is very tempting.  I'm really hoping to get off one of these waitlists though.  And of course, if NYU called tomorrow, I'd withdraw from everywhere else right away.

And you?

Right now, Illinois is in the top spot. I'm currently waiting on WUSTL to get a pulse again and send me a scholarship this week. That could change things. And the 4 waitlists, of course, which could be a gamechanger.

How long you planning on sticking out those waitlists?

I'm not sure. I don't think I'm gonna ride out UCLA's because the school is just too damn expensive, same with northwestern. It's really gonna come to Vandy and Michigan, and I'll probably stick it out for as long as they let me. But, in a strange way, I hope they don't call, because I still don't konw if I could go $180K in debt. It just blows my mind. I think, in the end, if either Vandy or Michigan call, I'll end up there, though. And I have a feeling one of them will.

Given up on Virginia?

NU is prohibitively expensive but if they called me today and accepted me I would be done and be happy with paying the price. 

lol, tbh, i forgot about Virginia. They are a step below Vandy and Mich for my preferences, but I'd definitely be in if they called.

What's your waitlist strategy?

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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted 08/09
« on: March 03, 2009, 02:03:21 PM »
Sapphire was rude, but I do think that Trev came off pretty rude as well.

we have very similar cycles, npe. What are you thinking right now? Who's number one?

G-Dub's the favorite right now, but the free ride at UIUC is very tempting.  I'm really hoping to get off one of these waitlists though.  And of course, if NYU called tomorrow, I'd withdraw from everywhere else right away.

And you?

Right now, Illinois is in the top spot. I'm currently waiting on WUSTL to get a pulse again and send me a scholarship this week. That could change things. And the 4 waitlists, of course, which could be a gamechanger.

How long you planning on sticking out those waitlists?

I'm not sure. I don't think I'm gonna ride out UCLA's because the school is just too damn expensive, same with northwestern. It's really gonna come to Vandy and Michigan, and I'll probably stick it out for as long as they let me. But, in a strange way, I hope they don't call, because I still don't konw if I could go $180K in debt. It just blows my mind. I think, in the end, if either Vandy or Michigan call, I'll end up there, though. And I have a feeling one of them will.

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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted 08/09
« on: March 03, 2009, 02:00:32 PM »
Really Bloomie...Illinois? Why is that?

It just comes down to money, plain and simple. I like all the schools that have accepted me, and without visiting yet, I have no real preference for any other outside of debt. So Illinois wins. Also, I love State College, PA, and I have gotten the vibe that UC is kinda similar to it.

What's your outlook?

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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted 08/09
« on: March 02, 2009, 12:18:45 PM »
Sapphire was rude, but I do think that Trev came off pretty rude as well.

we have very similar cycles, npe. What are you thinking right now? Who's number one?

G-Dub's the favorite right now, but the free ride at UIUC is very tempting.  I'm really hoping to get off one of these waitlists though.  And of course, if NYU called tomorrow, I'd withdraw from everywhere else right away.

And you?

Right now, Illinois is in the top spot. I'm currently waiting on WUSTL to get a pulse again and send me a scholarship this week. That could change things. And the 4 waitlists, of course, which could be a gamechanger.

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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted 08/09
« on: February 28, 2009, 04:57:10 PM »
Sapphire was rude, but I do think that Trev came off pretty rude as well.

we have very similar cycles, npe. What are you thinking right now? Who's number one?

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Recommendations / Re: LSAC Misconduct for Letter of Recommendation
« on: February 27, 2009, 06:24:15 PM »
I was watching the Lion King, and Scar was singing his "i will be king" song, and he used "quid pro quo".. it made me think of lawdog's ridiculous use of it in this thread, and I laughed

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Recommendations / Re: LSAC Misconduct for Letter of Recommendation
« on: February 24, 2009, 01:34:17 AM »
And, yes, as LawDog mentioned, I'm concerned that we're the ONLY ones in this discussion that have even mentioned that the OP needs to seek out his legal options. This is his whole career on the line. I understand that the knee jerk reaction is to say, "we have enough lawyers, we don't need rotten ones." But that's not our position to say. There's a lot of facts we simply don't know, specifically about the level of authorization the boss has permitted the OP. What some have advocated is the equivalent of telling a criminal, "Well, you've committed a crime. You're a bad person, and I would never do what you did. You don't deserve a defense, because there is simply no justification for theft."  If you think this is an exaggerated analogy, here are a few lines from this ongoing discussion:

“… I don't want you as member of my profession. Lawyers already have a bad name and we don't need people like you making it worse…”

“you are a bad person. Bad people fake their own LORs and forge people's name. Yep.”

“Honestly, if I knew who you were I'd contact the schools that admitted you. Be thankful for that.”

“… you deserve to have your admissions rescinded…and if LSAC had never called your boss, you would feel no remorse.

 “…there is NO justification for what you did. None.”


Thanks for snipping all my quotes! Now here's one by you:

"I understand that the knee jerk reaction is to say, "we have enough lawyers, we don't need rotten ones." But that's not our position to say."

YES, IT IS OUR POSITION.

What do you not understand about that? The legal profession is self-regulating. We are the ones that will decide the rules of conduct that apply to our profession. It is our "position" to say "we don't need rotten" lawyers.

The people in law school now -us- will be the ones that sit on benches and committees that will write and interpret rules of professional conduct. Not some separate body of non-lawyers but the legal profession itself.

As lawyers to be we have every right to advocate on behalf of a better profession. A profession without people like nola.




I agree with you, TTom, up to a point. We WILL one day be those people. But we are not yet those people. We do not have the full experience, expertise, and understanding of the profession to say whether the OP will be a good lawyer or not. Nor do we know whether he'll be a rotten lawyer based on this one-time incident. As I've said many times before, and this still goes unrefuted, the OP's fate is not sealed. As far as we know, the OP has not shown a pattern of this behavior, and, given what little we know of this incident, I believe reform is still possible.

Secondly, we are not sufficiently in command of the facts to say whether the OP's conduct was justified. For this reason, among others, I believe that the OP deserves a vigorous defense that gets all the facts presented in the most favorable light possible. Heaven knows that LSAC will do what it can to present the opposite. As LawDog, Como te llamas, and I have said, the guy deserves a defense.

I've have never said that nola shouldn't try to defend him/herself. Only that I don't wish nola luck in succeeding, because I find nola's action indefensible.

Although I agree that we don't know "all the facts," there are NO facts that could reveal themselves that would justify what nola did. Seriously, what possible facts would justify making up a letter of recommendation and forging someone's name? Even IF nola's boss said nola could (and nola's boss did not give nola permission), this still would not have justified it.


Jesus Christ I'm having a hard time figuring out if you're a troll or just an ass.

If you are not a troll nor an ass and are actually impassioned by Nola's malfeasance, you are making a mistake by judging Nola in a vacuum. It should be obvious why it's a problem to determine morally corrupt character on a single instance of poor judgment that is relatively minor.  If s/he was a serial killer, your passion would be vindicated, but I would think a reasonable person would need more evidence to leap from morally corrupt decision to morally corrupt character as you seem so eager to do.

And this ignores the notion that people have the capability of learning from their mistakes, but it seems in his perfection TTom is unaware of such a phenomenon.  For all we know, Nola will become the most ethically rigid and ethically just individual in the world because of this event.


I'm with TC on this one. The funniest thing about this thread it TTom's belief that nola's mistake is the reason lawyers have a bad rap. I think lawyers have a bad rap because (somewhat correctly and somewhat incorrectly) they are seen as greedy, snobbish, elitist, and immoral.

Nola screwed up. Nobody is arguing that. But it's not like he/she manipulated the LSAT score or GPA illegally. They simply stretched the line of ethical conduct too far, trying to convince themselves that what they were doing wasn't wrong. Not commendable or even correct, but something that happened none the less. I feel for them. It's a mistake I could have easily made, or anybody else for that matter, in some equally in/signficant aspect of life. I probably have, and TTom probably has too, even though he likely will never admit it.

I've made millions of mistakes, many of them illegal. We all have. And that's what made me so sad- its the people like TTom, the people who literally believe in right and wrong, who really think that good people don't make heinous, horrible mistakes, and who are so willing to judge others, talking about their high ethical standards as they do so(which most of the time aren't any higher or lower than the person they're judging). Sadly, I'm there are way more TToms in the world than I'd personally hope for.


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Law School Applications / Re: Economy and law school admissions -- tougher?
« on: February 09, 2009, 07:37:05 PM »
Harvard is up 5-6% to date, Chicago is up ~5%:

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/admissions/2008/12/19/year-in-progress/

http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/adayinthelife/2009/01/what-is-up-in-the-admissions-office.html

Consensus seems to be there's a lag that will hit next cycle.

this doesn't prove that applicants are up. It only proves that applications are up.

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Law School Applications / Re: Illinois E-mail
« on: February 06, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
Paul Pless is answering questions in this thread on TLS. I'm sure he'd be happy to clear up your confusion.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57169&start=400

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Vandy visit questions
« on: February 06, 2009, 01:41:43 AM »
Blumstein's class is cool. Very energetic prof, and generally makes friendly convo with whoever is on the hotseat. Perhaps even ask him (or other students?) some questions about Vandy Law; at the least, it would give you some more subject matter to write about in future LOCI's.

Dress nicely, but a suit may be overkill. Section A isn't as sartorially preppy as B is, either. HTH, and good luck.

Question: Which Section has more people ditching Barrister's Ball in favor of driving down to Mardi Gras?  Last year it was Section B FTW.  This year it is LLMs FTW... got at least three of them coming so far and it was just recommended to me that I see if school would be willing to fund part of the trip as one of their outreach programs.

The answer to this is directly connected to just how much I try to get off that Vandy Waitlist.

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