You know what, the human brain never ceases to amaze me. Here we have an Asian chap who writes quite eloquently, but can not seem to comprehend the rationale behind AA. As an Asian-American wouldn't your energy be better committed to issues related to consistently out-performing all other races academically, yet the boardrooms, chief executives and high positioned goverment officials are incongrous to the academic accolades you all have made as a race of people.
I guess that is neither here nor there. Consider that you are asking us refute a book full of anecdotal evidence and self loathing. As a African-American I can assure you that one thing we are experts at identifying is self loathing Negroes. Hell, 500 years of torment and oppression yields such occurences no matter the modern cultural contras randomly coming about by black nationalism to reverse such damage.
By the way your gems about slavery contain some distortions. Sub-Saharan Africa implies quite a large region. This was not the case. Most slaves decended from not just West Africa, but morethe region surrounding the Congo. Secondly, it is common knowledge the African slavery was generally thought of us indentured servitude, not the systemic corroding of a person's self image, identity and culture/history (e.g.cutting off genitalia, amputation, theft, educating us to be inferior...etc). I could go on, but you get the idea. It is disturbing to know that a person of color seems to be completely oblivious to the systemic discrimination in place that prevents the very individual promoting a color blind standardized merit based system. @#!* anecdotal, lets go with empirical. The vault 100 partners are clearly visible on their respective firm's website; you tell me how many Asian partners you see. Maybe then you will realize that AA is not only appropriate, but the country lacks more social doorstops than you originally thougt.
Please explain how my being Asian somehow invalidates my arguments that AA policies will result in deleterious consequences for the favored classes.
Everything you wrote above is largely incongruous to addressing that argument.
Wouldn't addressing the argument do more to address the argument than making patronizing remarks about the person making the argument? Or does your dismissive patronization betray a lack of ability to address the arguments, therefore you hope that said patronization will distract observers from your ability to perform?
Have you read Sowell's book? How do you know it's full of self-loathing? Do you have some kind of mystical mind-reading ability? Or are you arbitrarily defining people holding contrary positions as self-loathing in order to call doubt upon their arguments without addressing the facts or validity of said arguments?
I could define you as a Shining-Path Commie, but I haven't. At least in this post, I'm making an effort to substantially respond to what you've written.
How does calling Sub-Saharan Africa "Sub-Saharan Africa" in any way imply that it's a large region? That's what the region's always been called.
Furthermore, I had brought up the prevalence of the slave trade in Africa to show that its primary perpetrators were black Africans. I'm not sure how your characterization of African's attitudes towards the slave trade as an exercise in indentured servitude challenges the truth of that fact. And I sincerely doubt that even if African slavery were similar to indentured servitude (something that I don't know enough about to contest), I doubt that the indentured servants would be allowed to maintain their old cultures upon release from their temporary servitude.
FWIW, the Arabs were the ones who took black women as concubines and black men as eunuchs. Compared to what the Arabs were doing to their slaves, the Europeans were pretty tame (although that doesn't morally justify slavery).
The lack of Asian partners at vault-100 firms doesn't suggest that systemic discrimination is at play. Other factors may have played a role.
Growing up in Silicon Valley in a largely Asian area, I can attest that most Asians studied engineering or the natural sciences. Most of these students went on to work as engineers, businesspeople, doctors, dentists, or researchers. The lack of prominent lawyers isn't indicative of systemic discrimination if Asians have historically prioritized admittance into other professions.
My pre-law advisor mentioned that it has only been within the last 5-8 years that Asians have applied to law schools in more than minute numbers. If her testimony on this matter can be applied to most undergraduate institutions, then the lack of Asians amongst vault-100 partners can also be explained by the lack of Asian lawyers experienced enough to make partner in these firms.
I don't doubt that some doors are blocked for some people, but seeing that it's impossible to actually gauge how much discrimination exists, it's impossible to tailor a standardized program that would address discrimination in all its possible individual cases, and AA causes more problems than it solves (possibly even causing more discrimination as a backlash against favored groups receiving privileged treatment due to unequal standards), AA doesn't strike me as a very wise policy.
I love it. I love it.
You being Asian doesn’t invalidate your arguments and furthermore to suggest that AA will have “deleterious” consequences is a gratuitous use of the English language. Even in the most extreme circumstance I would submit to you AA would have negligible adverse consequences at best. Many of the consequences you have outlined in your previous post would exist with or without AA. Discrediting Black folks because of AA, would merely turn into discrediting Blacks due to neighborhood they grew up in, maybe even undergraduate institution, clothes we wear, hairstyle or some other BS.
No I have not read Sowell’s book COMPLETELY, but I am familiar enough with it to make educated commentary. When it comes to mystical ability I would define it more so as intuition with a very low coefficient of error as it relates to detecting self loathing Blacks.
Incidentally, I have a more socialist lean.
Sub Saharan Africa by definition is the area below the Sahara. That’s roughly ¾ of Africa.
I brought up the slave trade because you brought up the slave trade. I don’t think you were trying to trivialize it, but there seem to consequences stemming from the slave trade that for one reason or another you can’t link to Blacks folks here and now despite them being conspicuous to most Black folks. That’s gap you will have to bridge on your own.
I will accept your accept your premise for lack of Asian partners, but I will assure you that 5-10 years from now there will still be a disproportionately small number of Asian partners. You mentioned business men, doctors and engineers; maybe its me but I haven’t seen even the slightest prevalence of Asian chief executives in the Fortune 1000. Are you familiar with what some people call a “glass ceiling”. There is no shortage of smaller businesses and engineering firms headed by Asians I am certain, but again you seem to be wearing blinders.
“I don't doubt that some doors are blocked for some people, but seeing that it's impossible to actually gauge how much discrimination exists, it's impossible to tailor a standardized program that would address discrimination in all its possible individual cases, and AA causes more problems than it solves (possibly even causing more discrimination as a backlash against favored groups receiving privileged treatment due to unequal standards), AA doesn't strike me as a very wise policy.”
I love it. The mere fact that you made this comment demonstrates the need for AA. If it is impossible to gauge exactly how much discrimination exists yet everyone is cognizant of its pervasiveness it would be foolish to abolish a program that combats it. The fact it is not iron clad does not invalidate it. AA came about to reverse instances where less qualified Whites were being selected over more qualified Blacks, Indians…etc. I think it is quite convenient you haven’t brought that up. Ergo the “quota”.