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I want a pat on the back for the following reason: I have finally started to get the hang of seeing the little Brad Pitt avatar and then just scrolling on past.

I urge all of you to join me in ignoring Lindbergh, who very rudely repeats himself in quintuple and sextuple posts when one substantive response would likely suffice if written well enough. It makes reading threads significantly more enjoyable. Seriously, just skip 'em. It's awesome.

LOL ;D

Credited, but Lindberg should also receive a pat on the back for consistenly riling(sorry i am from the south, maybe i should have said agitate..anyway) the users of this board with his naivety, idealism and microcosmic egocentric view of public policy all under the guise of curiousity and substance

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Wanna hear a scary story?

Some of the people here will become policy makers.



YIKES, unless of course that was directed towards me ;D

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You know for a Kappa you are not so bad.
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I was actually going to address what you(burning sands) brought up in another thread, but no big deal.

I find it puzzling the energy devoted to race based AA. Take this into consideration. Of the top 14 law schools, better yet make it top 20, URM make up on average 10-15%. Blacks specifically make up on avg 5-9% and Hispanics typically make up half that. All these schools publish their median LSAT and GPA ranges 25-75%. Lets assume each and every URM is in under the 25% threshold statistically in terms of LSAT and GPA. This still leaves at least 10% of the student body admitted with numbers below the median. The question I raise to those who hold a position opposing AA is who makes up this magical 10%.

Hint: It sure as hell isn't Asians.

The situation above relies on the ridiculous assumption that no URM is qualified, yet 10% of the student body has numbers below the median. Consider that. I don't think it would be far-fetched to assume this 10% might come from very priveledged and well connect backgrounds, but what do I know.

Please resume contemplating your navel

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Frederick Douglass
« on: September 05, 2007, 08:39:36 AM »
If I'm not mistaken, the "Blue Dog" type of Democrat shares similar positions with Republicans on social issues, not the role of government.

I beleive I said to "a lesser extent"

The traditional conservative distrust of expansion of government power precludes holders of this belief from proposing too many programs (think Reagan's quote, "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help).

I am not sure what this has to do with anything

If "Blue Dogs" do not hold a similar position, and hold the Democratic position favoring the expansion of government programs, then if these programs necessarily create much waste, the Democratic position can be fairly blamed for this outcome.

what outcome
That's not to say that all Republicans are in favor of limited government, of course. But the traditional position has been.

This tangent arose when you attempted to assign responsibility for the wasteful spending and poor administration conducted by the Louisiana government to the Republican Party.

I pointed out that Louisiana's state government is dominated by Democrats. You countered by saying that the Louisiana Democrats are, in fact, "Blue Dog" Democrats, and I assume that assertion implies that these "Blue Dogs" are conservative, and therefore conservatives are responsible for the waste. I countered your counter by saying that the "Blue Dogs" do not share the traditional conservative position against government programs, but rather the Democratic position that promotes government spending, and since government spending necessarily results in waste, the blame for the waste falls on true-blue Democrats, not conservatives.

You do realize that under the current administration(which for 6 years had a monopoly on the senate,house and executive branch) more dollars have been spent than any other administration combined in US history. Under this administration, which if I am not mistaken is under republican/conservative/neocon leadership more government has been installed then in all modern democratic presidential administrations. Lastly, under this administration more invasions of privacy, attacks on personal freedom and attacks on government transparancy have transpired. Face it my friend, conservatives will always live in the shadows of Barry Goldwater. Who by the way is turning over in his grave hourly by the very forces that oppose his notion of conservative ideal instituted by the bush admistration. Before you start regaling me with the minutia of skewed facts i just find it amusing how conservatives have always lamented the democratic big government and gross budget expenditures, but look who is doing all the spending and creating department after department and office after office. Please concede and save face.

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Frederick Douglass
« on: September 04, 2007, 11:32:48 AM »
Southern Democrats= typically equal Republicans

I least they did once upon a time. Some of them might not have gotten the memo they were suppose to switch

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are southern Democrats. I'm pretty sure they aren't Republicans.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or genuine, but in any case i was refering to Boll Weevils (e.g. Zel Miller) and to a lesser extent Blue Dogs Dems. Obviously not Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter LOL

If I'm not mistaken, the "Blue Dog" type of Democrat shares similar positions with Republicans on social issues, not the role of government. [/quote]

I beleive I said to "a lesser extent"

[/quote]The traditional conservative distrust of expansion of government power precludes holders of this belief from proposing too many programs (think Reagan's quote, "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help). [/quote]

I am not sure what this has to do with anything

[/quote]If "Blue Dogs" do not hold a similar position, and hold the Democratic position favoring the expansion of government programs, then if these programs necessarily create much waste, the Democratic position can be fairly blamed for this outcome.[/quote]

what outcome

That's not to say that all Republicans are in favor of limited government, of course. But the traditional position has been.
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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Frederick Douglass
« on: September 04, 2007, 10:44:11 AM »
Southern Democrats= typically equal Republicans

I least they did once upon a time. Some of them might not have gotten the memo they were suppose to switch

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are southern Democrats. I'm pretty sure they aren't Republicans.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or genuine, but in any case i was refering to Boll Weevils (e.g. Zel Miller) and to a lesser extent Blue Dogs Dems. Obviously not Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter LOL

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Frederick Douglass
« on: September 04, 2007, 10:42:07 AM »
Southern Democrats= typically equal Republicans

I least they did once upon a time. Some of them might not have gotten the memo they were suppose to switch

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are southern Democrats. I'm pretty sure they aren't Republicans.

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Frederick Douglass
« on: September 04, 2007, 08:43:36 AM »
Southern Democrats= typically equal Republicans

I least they did once upon a time. Some of them might not have gotten the memo they were suppose to switch

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: AA: More harm than good?
« on: September 04, 2007, 08:27:12 AM »
That's really sad.  We need more minorities in the law profession.  I could check the URM box myself - I'm half Mexican, but I think I got the LSAT score I deserve, and will attend a school where I can excel.  It's sad that minorities who check that box end up dropping out because they can't keep up.  If the differnce is getting into law school or not, I can see why they do it, but if you get a 165 on your LSAT, HYS are going to chew you up and spit you out. 

You should revisit this comment. Across the board attrition rates for top schools (i.e. T6-T10)schools are less then 1%. Top school have indicated that most people that drop out almost always do so for non-academic reasons. Just figured I would dispel that myth before it spiraled out of control

Will URMs with a less than median LSATs have to work a lil harder? Maybe/maybe not. But to say they will get chewed up and spit out is a complete and total falsehood. Particularly if you base it on the nations leading law schools' attrition numbers.

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Frederick Douglass
« on: September 03, 2007, 12:56:16 AM »
You are quoting a man who was a former slave. You do realize that. If you are not conscientious enough to understand his frustration when writing this, then I would suggest you throw yourself a bone and try practicing a lil empathy. If you were tormented and harassed beyond the very fiber that holds you together as sentient being you would want your opressor to leave you the hell alone as well.

I have been in situations where either my "betters" or "tormentors" spent significant time imposing their ideas upon my particular circumstances. I can empathize with with what Douglass is saying, but I think the two of us disagree not on the likely emotional state of Douglass when he said this statement, but on the substantiative content of the statement itself.

According to the literal text of this statement, Douglass is asking for the chance for blacks to prove their worth, RATHER THAN asking for help.

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If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are wormeaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also.

Douglas explicitly advocates against "tying or fastening them on the tree in any way," a statement from which I assume he advocates against the ministrations of well-meaning people towards the black population of his time. It is because of the history of this particular era that I think this advocation against assistance is so compelling.

By the way PN you are certainly a formidable opponent with regards to this debate, but I honestly think further dialogue would be better left exercised vocally. I would welcome my future law school to have such a debate. That is of course after we debate more pressing moral issues that affect the very livelihood of mankind (i.e. suspending habeus corpus, spying on law abiding citizens, incompetence & indolence of rebuilding new orleans, occupying a foreign territory, voter intimidation and ballot fraud)  . Pardon my sarcasm, but I think debate on AA should be the last item eaten when we set down at the round table for the great meal of morality and injustice.

Well, I'm not sure what any of the things you mention have to do with what Frederick Douglass said.

FWIW, in inflation-adjusted dollars, more money has been poured into New Orleans than was poured into all of Europe via the Marshall plan.

I will only respond to the katrina comment. You are absolutely positively correct. We have spent a total of 127 billion dollars on katrina which is about 40 billion more than we spent on the marshall plan. the gross gdp of new orleans is only 141 billion. It seems only about 25 billion or so went to sources for which we can modestly account (army core engineers, housing relief) the rest went to subsidiaries of haliburton and other large firms which by the way have a "labor" work force made up entirely of illegals.

In other words, the money went to the only companies that could efficiently do the work, with no actual connections to the administration, and they did so on an efficient basis.  (The idea their work force, labor or otherwise, is make up entirely of illegals is patently false.)


I don't know how far you lean to the right, but you and i know there has been a gross mismanagement of katrina relief. Whatsmore, is it has been done under neocon leadership.

Well, let's be grateful it was done under neocon leadership -- there obviously would have been far more waste and mismanagement under "liberal" leadership, which is generally more concerned with spreading wealth around to political supporters than actually accomplishing anything.

All government action is inefficient and wasteful -- liberal action is simply exponentially worse, because they don't even try to be efficient, and have no idea how to actually accomplish anything at all in the real world.

dear brother lindberg you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. as someone who has worked for both bechtel, halliburton, and centex as a project engineer I can assure you that the labor force is indeed prodiminantly illegal. i will gladly say that the project management is made up almost entirely of university educated americans, but the those individuals doing survey work, nailing the two by fours and all other rudimentary engineering tasks are almost entirely illegal. Let me be fair. Hell, the entire general contacting, construction project management and civil engineering industry uses illegals as the majority labor force. This should be nothing new to you.

And halliburton is not the only contractor that can do the work, certainly you don't believe that. There is nothing particularly unique about the environment (such would be the case with  california, iraq..israel...nevada) that would require halliburton's specialties. I can throw you a bone with Iraq, but as someone who has worked for them and received a formal education in construction management i think your comments are a little short sighted.

everyone knows cheney still has ties with halliburton don't be naive

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml

additionally, new orleans has been traditionally democratic but at the state level louisiana was, is and always will be a red state. you and i both know that.

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