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Current Law Students / Re: NOT going to class
« on: September 08, 2009, 09:50:41 PM »
Firstly, since you're a 1L and haven't taken any law school examinations, I'd be hard pressed to be so sure that I'm "not getting anything from class."

Secondly, even if it is the case that you're not getting anything from class, have you considered the possibility that YOU'RE in the wrong?  That is, you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing; you're not thinking about the material; you're not pay attention closely, etc.  There could be a number of things that you're failing to do that causes you to not get anything out of class.

Thirdly, it probably isn't hard to skip every class and still get a passing grade.  A C is passing.  If you can write a semi-coherent answer and spout off some law, you'll get a C.  Ask yourself:  do you want a 2.0 GPA your first year of law school though?  Ask yourself further:  What do I hope to do with my law degree?  And will you be able to do those things with such a low GPA?

Bottom line:  suck it up.  You're paying lots of money (or if you're on a full scholarship, you chose) to attend law school.  Part of the allure of law school should have been an interest in studying law.  I'll admit sometimes class can get boring, but at the end of the day, I'm much happier in my law school classes than I ever was in undergraduate classes because I'm interested in the subject.

Current Law Students / Re: Legal Market in 5 years
« on: August 28, 2009, 03:04:49 PM »
Tip:  look at your audience.

These boards are frequented mostly by (1) pre-law students and (2) law students.

You are asking a question about predicting a field which most of us are, at best, hoping to be in at some point.  Further, your question probably couldn't be answered with any certainty from an expert in the law field or an expert in economics.

If you want to be a lawyer, go to law school.  That may be overly simple, of course.  There are other factors to consider like money, etc but that should be your underlying reason to go.  Don't go to law school thinking that it's a ticket to a big paycheck, because it certainly isn't.  If you are risk averse, go to law school on the cheap.  With a 3.95 and say a 165, you'll have a good shot at get full-rides to schools. 

At the end of the day, it seems that you have some sort of contract.  (NOTE:  THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, just what I think is going on.)

Contracts can be modified with mutual assent from both parties.  Best things to do: (1) read the contract carefully (there may be an "out" clause); (2) if there isn't, talk to the School and let them know what's going on.  Try to get the school to let you out of the contract.

It is bad form to make a promise and then break it, especially in the legal community.  Will the school sue you?  Probably not.  But, you don't want to leave that bad taste so early in your professional career.  Make sure you handle this in a mature manner and let the school know your reasons.

I don't know how many more classes you have left, but if at all possible, try to get your GPA above a 3.0.  There's a certain stigma associated with GPA's below that threshold (albeit, it doesn't preclude you from getting into some decent schools).  If possible and you haven't graduated, even delay that by one semester, that help in GPA will be amazingly helpful.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Letters of Reccomendation?
« on: August 23, 2009, 05:00:08 PM »
Here are some general rules:

1.  Pick academic LORs.
2.  When picking amongst academic sources, you would prefer to have the "higher" academic (you'd prefer a professor over a Graduate Student Instructor for instance).
3.  Another rule that might trump #2 is you want to pick someone who knows you and your work best.

At the end of the day, I say this repeatedly, your LORs aren't going to "make" you.  For the most part, they can only "break" you.  If you fail to follow instructions or if, on the rare occasion, your recommender actually says something bad about you, they'll be a detriment.  But just because a recommender says great things about you, it won't help your application.  You'll just be like every other student.  (Of course, if you somehow get President Obama to write you a recommendation, then that might have a strong impact on your app.)

Online Law Schools / Re: anyone know where Matthies went to school?
« on: August 23, 2009, 02:17:53 PM »
I think he went to the University of Denver.

Current Law Students / Re: Hospitality Suite Etiquette
« on: August 23, 2009, 11:53:17 AM »
I can tell you what I saw when we went through OCI.  Some people would go up to the suite and hand them a resume (however, I don't think this is effective, unless your resume is out of the ordinary great). I even saw a student wait outside an interviewer's room and caught him during the break asking if he wouldn't mind talking to the student.  Effectively, that interviewer gave up half of his lunch.

Current Law Students / Re: How Many Call-Backs Have You Received?
« on: August 23, 2009, 10:15:03 AM »
10%.  People outside that segment aren't having the same success, of course (and unfortunately).  But a fair number of 15-25% types have a callback or two (eta: or more, come to think of it, for the people who are within a stone's throw of the 10% mark).

Nice!  Congratulations on your success.  What I'm finding to be true is that grades, more so than in the past, are the cut-off.  Granted, I'm a transfer student so I don't technically have a "rank," but in the past, if a transfer student had 18 interviews, he would normally get about 6-8 call-backs. 

I hope 3L recruiting is better for all of us who don't get anything.

Current Law Students / Re: How Many Call-Backs Have You Received?
« on: August 23, 2009, 09:48:55 AM »
I am 8/21 at my T20-ish.  For the sake of full disclosure, two of those callbacks aren't Vault (but one of those two is AmLaw 100).

Maybe it's because I'm a sore loser (didn't get in), but it really is cute to watch the Vandy kids troll for their ranking.  When I hear Vandy/USC/UCLA, I think T20.  When I hear "T15," I think here's a Vandy student who wants to quibble about the USNWR.

Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind sharing, what is your rank?

I am interested in becoming a public defender and was wondering what importance does the law school's ranking have in getting a job as a public defender. I am comparing a school that is #39 and #85. Will going to the #85 school (Santa Clara) hamper my chances in getting a job?

On the flip-side, you may want to consider the possibility that once you get to law school that you may change your mind or realize that you do NOT want to be a PD.  I can't tell you the number of law students who enter law school with the idea that they are going to be X-type of lawyer, but after being there a short time, they either realize that (1) the work is nothing like they imagined or (2) that they find something more interesting.

If this were to be the case (that you change your mind), you'd probably want to be at a school that would open more possibilities to you than not.  I mean, for instance, what if you realize in law school that you don't want to be a PD but want to work for a big law firm?  At that point, it probably would have been better to go the higher-ranked school.

Just something to consider...

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