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« on: May 19, 2008, 10:58:07 PM »
I would guess being Puerto Rican (especially if you actually live there, not like "my mom's family is from there") would be a very good URM soft factor boost. How much did you prep for the LSAT the first time and would it be feasible to take it again? Even with your GPA, if you can do somewhat better on the LSAT (and I'm not talking about 170s here, just better) you could probably expand your options greatly to T2 and maybe even T1. That might be worth waiting a year, depending on your goals.
This all assumes you want to practice on the mainland, of course, but I figured you wouldn't have asked the question otherwise.
« on: May 19, 2008, 10:49:23 PM »
If LSAC computes your GPA to be a 3.7 also, and if (HUGE if here) your real LSAT is like your practice, then I would guess you would have a good shot at most of the lower half (or so) of the T14 and probably money in the T25.
The thing is, most people lose a few points on their LSAT when taking it for real. You'll get better answers when you come back with a real score, and even better still, if you have a real LSDAS GPA to talk about. (Remember, also, that if you plan on applying next year, you'll be using the GPA you've got now, maybe adding fall semester, but not the whole year unless you plan on waiting until the 2010 cycle to apply.) If your numbers are good (and yours aren't bad) then the transfers and other softs probably won't be a big deal.
« on: May 19, 2008, 04:16:54 PM »
Lastly, as far as large, nationally-recognized public schools go, they get a natural bump in admission stats because, unbeknownst to many who apply from out-of-state, most state schools are required to have a class composed of 75%-90% in-state residents (leading to much higher entrance requirements for 10%-25% of the class).
Um, shouldn't that lower
your stats? Because even though you have to be more selective with your out-of-state population, I would guess the in-state candidates you take have lower numbers than the out-of-state candidates you would replace them with if you operated like a private school without the requirement (if this weren't the case, then you wouldn't need the requirement). And ABA/US News look at all matriculants, not just out-of-staters.
Also, 75-90% seems high for top schools. I'm pretty sure at UVA it's 40%, and I'd imagine Michigan and the UCs are probably similar; I think Texas is a little higher.
ETA actual in-state numbers:
Boalt = 50% of acceptances are in-state to create a class that's majority residents (source
UVA = 40% of places are reserved for residents (source
Michigan = residency is a soft factor; incoming classes are 25% in-state (source
UCLA = for c/o 2010 it was 65% residents; no mention of a requirement (source
Texas = at most 35% can be non-residents (source
I should note that I'm not trying to prove a point here or anything, but I was just curious what these ratios looked like, and since I went to the trouble of looking them up, I thought others might be interested also. It's pretty off-topic, now that I look at it, although it might somewhat address JNSL's speculation about whether state schools have the maneuverability needed to really advance in the rankings. Anyway, sorry to derail, back to your regularly-scheduled Vandy thread...
« on: May 19, 2008, 01:27:39 AM »
Good advice from laughing hard. If you didn't know, people in your situation (high LSAT/low GPA) are called "splitters" and there's lot of info about them if you search this site.
Your URM status, especially if you bring up your GPA like LH mentions you can, should mean great chances a lot of places if you maintain your LSAT score on the real thing. You haven't mentioned any soft factors, but given your numbers, they could matter. I think both splitters and URMs tend to have unpredictable cycles, so who knows what you're in for, but apply to a lot of places and you should get some bites at good schools.
You might want to check LawSchoolNumbers.com if you haven't to see how splitters do at various places. Unfortunately, the sample size of "URM splitters who use LSN" at any given school will probably be too small to be of any use.
« on: May 18, 2008, 11:16:18 PM »
can I use that little white silent timer during test?
or only an analog watch as the LSAT instructions said? not even digital watch allowed?
Even if 10,000 people came on here and said otherwise, you'd still already have the only correct answer. Don't mess around with the LSAT.
« on: May 18, 2008, 07:20:50 PM »
"The same degree"? lawandethan, I'm very glad you posted that, because I think that tells anyone reading all they need to know about how seriously to take your advice.
« on: May 18, 2008, 02:17:09 PM »
angelus_animi's interpretation seems like the correct one to me: "I'm graduating after my third year" not "I'm graduating three years from now". That's the only way the post makes sense.
That said, OP, why are you getting a Master's? Not to sound snarky but do you have a reason why this will help your career or whatever, or do you just "want" one? Might be worth thinking about before you bust your ass applying and doing the work and sink some amount of cash into it. If you just want to be a lawyer, I'm not sure it would do you any good. (And, not that this is a consideration, but the Masters GPA won't count in your GPA that gets reported to law schools for admission.)
Also, I know next-to-nothing about grad programs, but I was under the impression that GRE was much less important than the LSAT is in law admissions. If I'm incorrect, then ignore this, but if that's roughly right, why not focus on the LSAT? Assuming you're scoring decently on the GRE, that is.
Finally, this statement: "Even if I got a lower score on June LSATs, at least I would have them over with and not have to worry about them" makes no sense. It sounds like you're saying, even if do less well than I could have on the LSAT, at least it's out of the way and I'm one step closer to law school. I think you misunderstand the way law school admissions works; especially with your GPA, your LSAT score is going to be a major determinant of what kind of school you get into -- a 170, for instance, will give you unbelievably many more options than, say, a 160. Again, I don't know, but maybe the GRE is something you just "get out of the way" and you just have to do alright on it... but the LSAT is not like that! In general, remember that to a law school, your LSAT is at least as -- or probably more -- important than your entire undergrad experience and anything else in your file. So prioritize accordingly.
« on: May 18, 2008, 02:04:10 PM »
At Florida, BIGLAW is still a very possible and real option. However, if you want to do something else - you may still be able to pursue it.
It is a very valid question to ask what the OP wants to do -- if it isn't BIGLAW, then yeah, UF is probably a good bet. But if it is, then go to Florida at your peril. "Very possible and real option" makes it sound like it's a good chance, when it almost certainly is not unless you're near the top of the class (no idea if the cutoff is 10% or 25% or whatever, but there is one and it's not near what it would be at GULC).
It really matters less that you want to work "in the South" than what kind of firm you want to work at. Especially since there aren't (I don't believe) many major firms in Florida, if you want to work for the big guns in, say, Atlanta or Charlotte, I'm not sure UF gets you there. (Unless you're top X%, but you can't rely on that if it's really what you want to do.) And when you're making that kind of money, the debt seems much smaller...
« on: May 18, 2008, 01:47:09 AM »
Only five grand a year? Your cheap ass dads = ding.
Sorry. You might get good money at a TTT though. Try Harvard, I hear it has decent placement.
« on: May 18, 2008, 01:39:49 AM »
I'm thinking of using Penn's "other factors" optional essay to write about my sexual identity. I feel like if it says that they take into account sexual orientation, it should be okay to write about it. Is it worth taking the chance or should I stay away from that kind of topic??
Not an expert on this area, but if it says that, I would absolutely write about it. That's probably exactly the kind of thing they want to hear about in that essay.
(Well, I don't know what your "sexual identity" entails, but I assume you're not planning on writing about some bizarre fetish or something. If it's just "Hey, I'm gay" or something like that, I can't see how it would hurt -- this is 2008 and we're talking about Penn, not Liberty, Regent, et al.)
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