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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: T4 Unemployment Line?
« on: August 07, 2007, 11:51:05 AM »
It's true there are $55K jobs out there for people who can't get to biglaw.  However, there's competition for those $55K jobs too, and you're gonna be competing against people with average grades from first-tier schools for them.  If you get some connections at your T4 school, you might find a job in your local area (some T4s are better than others).  Also you might not.  So, if you want to go to Western New England, your small town should probably be in Mass or NH, unless you have a job lined up already RIGHT NOW.

I agree than $70K is way too much to pay for a T4 degree.  Actually, even if it was free, the three years in lost opportunity cost might be too much to pay.  You likely will not make $55k to start, nor will you likely ever see $85k unless you start winning a few PI cases or wind up an insurance defense partner.  Just don't do it.

StL and KC are decent cities.  Maybe go to Missouri and practice there.  The job market is probably better there than in Seattle, Denver or Philly.  Plus the cost of living is lower.  If you want to live in Chicago or Philly, doing so is easier with a biglaw job; if you have top grades at Missouri, you can transfer to Illinois, WashU or the top 14 and get a higher-paying job in Chicago.  If you're middle of the class, Missouri gives you a cheap degree and two big cities to find jobs in.  I'd much rather be in the middle of the class with a nice scholarship at Kansas or Missouri than in the middle with no scholarship paying out-of-state tuition at UIUC, or paying full boat at any of the private schools you mentioned.

Every year, numbers-wise, admissions gets a little harder.  Next year should be no different, unless you somehow think you can get a 170+ on the LSAT to move your LSAT number appreciably.

Also, don't worry about your interest in "public health policy."  It really doesn't matter.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Need Advice..Badley
« on: June 15, 2007, 03:02:48 PM »
You should really not be a lawyer.  I have a super-low GPA too and if I hadn't got a super-high LSAT score I'd probably be looking at schools like that, and it's just not worth it.

Also, you can't spell.  I'm not just being a jerk, if you want to be a lawyer this is a real problem.

No-brainer, go to Seton Hall.  Neither school is going to get you a market-paying job upon graduation unless you do exceptionally well.  Of course, more NY firms go deeper into BLS's class (maybe top 10-15%), and some elite NY firms recruit at BLS and don't visit SH at all.  But elite firms only visit BLS to take the top 5% or so, and if you fall below the top 10% or so at BLS you probably won't get a market paying job.  Which, of course, you would need if you were 160k in the hole.

From SH, you don't have to be a biglaw slave and you can pretty much do whatever you want and not be in debt forever.

I have a feeling opportunities in the bottom 85% of the class for both these schools are about the same.  And if you do extremely well (top 5%) at Seton Hall, you'll have most of the options of a top BLS student (transferring up, getting a summer at a firm that pays market or close to that) with none of the risk.

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