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Be careful how you look at that stuff though.  Placement is more important than whether the law firm actually shows up to interview anyone.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Should I go to law school?
« on: August 13, 2007, 11:44:49 PM »
Schools don't have to report stats from international students to USNews.  This means 1) they will be more lenient with you numbers-wise and 2) they have no incentive to give you a scholarship.  With your background, if you get a decent LSAT score a number of good schools would probably take you.  You would have to convince them that you intend to take the bar in the US and pass it, which shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I don't know anything about immigration stuff, but if you want to be a lawyer in the US a US law school is the way to go.  If you want to practice in the UK, then not so much, of course.

Because you're international, I don't know if your URM status helps you as much as it would were you American.  But the above poster is right--under normal circumstances, if you are black and get a 170+, you're pretty much a lock for HYS.  It's extremely rare.

For most practical purposes, Pepperdine is not a place you want to go without a substantal scholarship.  It would be considered the fourth-best local school, but in reality it isn't even that well-regarded.  It isn't likely at all that you can get a market-paying job, which is important if you're going that much in debt.

Since LA is right below NYC and DC in terms of legal markets, it attracts lots of people from T14s, including lots of people from Boalt.  There are two very strong local schools, and the bottom half of both USC and UCLA fights for below-market jobs.  In addition, lots of people from Hastings and Davis head to LA, usually to look for below-market jobs.  I would think most local people consider all the aforementioned schools, even including San Diego, better than Loyola.  Loyola has huge graduating classes and is the dominant local TTT.  Pepperdine is condidered to be in the scrum of schools below Loyola, and among those Southwestern has the strongest local alumni base.

On the other hand Pepperdine is a very pretty place and most people do end up finding some sort of job.  But it's a difficult spot to be, especially since it's a better school than its position in the local market.  With similar numbers, you can go to San Diego or Loyola, I think.  Just try to do as well as you can on the LSAT and worry about schools later.  You might do awesome and be looking at better schools, or do worse and change your mind about the whole thing.

Best chances are with Boalt, Texas, USC, Cornell, Vandy.  Northwestern is an LSAT whore.

This may also depend on where you went to UG.  Schools that care a lot about GPA also tend to be uppity about UG prestige.

I wouldn't shy away from applying anywhere if I were you.   Late in the cycle a school may realize they need you to offset a few too many 3.2/173s or whatever.

I am curious about how to get in-state tuition in Illinois.  Earlier in this thread the OP seemed to indicate that he knew about this.

On LSN it looks like out-of-staters with high LSATs, regardless of GPA or index number, get a scholarship that puts them close to in-state.  I think this is because of their aggressive approach to their USNews LSAT number.  But on the transfer board there was a kid who was transferring in from out-of-state and got a similar scholarship anyway.  I have no idea why UIUC would do this for a transfer, since there are all kinds of people who are smart enough to eventually pass the bar and also desperate enough to pay full boat at UIUC.  Is it their general practice to help people from out-of-state in this manner?

The "decadent/shrewd" line is way overplayed.

I think leaving out UCLA is fine.  It's not like we're talking UCLA vs. GULC here.  This person has a decent shot at MVP.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 1 V. Tier 2 Regional
« on: August 07, 2007, 12:31:39 PM »
Many of the midwest state schools are complete LSAT whores, which somewhat works against you.  Illinois and Indiana are especially, and Wisconsin to a somewhat lesser extent.

But if you really want to work in Chicago, you don't want to dip much lower than Illinois without major scholarships.  Which state do you live in and can get in-state?  Remember that if you don't want to work near where you went to school, it will be tough finding a job.

If you just want a 50-70K/year job in Chicago, try to see if DePaul or Loyola will throw money at you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Davis or Loyola (SoCal) help!!!
« on: August 07, 2007, 12:18:41 PM »
This all depends on what you have to do to keep your scholarship at either place.  Law schools like to find ways to keep their money.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Best schools for Atlanta biglaw?
« on: August 07, 2007, 12:15:21 PM »
I have a feeling you are pretty much right.

1)  T14 (entire class if you have GA ties)
2)  UGA/Emory (~top 25% depending on the year)
3)  GSU (top 10% at least)
4)  Mercer (chances very slim)

As for out-of-state schools, it may require a little more effort but some are looked on quite well.  If Vanderbilt, somewhere between #1 and #2.  If W&L, probably close to #2 but you would have to really try to get to know some people.  If Alabama, somewhere a little below #2.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: My chances??
« on: August 07, 2007, 11:56:59 AM »
There are some questions you need to answer for yourself.  Namely, where do you want to live?  Is it where you qualify for in-state tuition?  Can you get into your in-state school?  You will have a shot at some local schools because of your GPA.  Every school except for LSU you mentioned is private, and none are worth their full-boat price.  Also, none with the possible exception of Loyola New Orleans is likely to give you a scholarship.  Well, you might get one from NYLS but trust me, you don't want to go there. will help answer your question re: admission chances.  I have no idea if you can get into LSU but go figure it out.  If you are from Louisiana and want to live there, LSU with in-state tuition would work quite well.

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