« on: October 12, 2007, 10:30:03 AM »
There are very few firms that are in the middle ground between 30-50K/year and 80-160K/year. You have to be within or very near the biglaw cutoff for the latter, and you can't afford to pay off your loans with the former. The few opportunities in the middle ("midlaw," some government jobs) are so fiercely competitive to get that it's hardly worth mentioning they exist. That's why they call this a "bimodal system"; someone recently did a study on this, I think it's somewhere on abovethelaw.com.
I think Fordham's cutoff is closer to top third than top half. GW's NYC cutoff is definitely top third and I don't really think Fordham does much better. Oddly enough, you might want to check XOXO for some talk about this.
It's true that most Brooklyn grads who actually respond to the survey are employed. (They have to do something to eat, and the ones who aren't employed are too depressed to respond to the survey or systematically excluded.) It's true that the average Brooklyn grad makes like $90K. (This will happen when you have a few people making 160K+bonus and the rest make around 50K.) See what I mean...
The job situation is somewhat better in Canada. If you have connections up there, why not just stay in Canada? Firms at the top don't pay as much up there, but the situation isn't as dire on the bottom. Just like everything else about Canada vs. the US, if you think about it.
You have a low GPA for Canada but your LSAT is above a lot of Canadian school medians. Plus, many Canadian schools will let you drop your worst grades, especially if you did your UG in the US have have 4 years of grades. You might be competitive for several Canadian schools.
Let's say the best you can do is get into Windsor, which can't be more than 15K/year. I'd much rather be at median at Windsor than median at Loyola or Cardozo. Not only is a 50K/year job in Toronto easier to get than a 50K/year job in NYC, but that money goes farther up there and your loans are much lower. Now you say in the off chance you can get into the top 10% at Loyola, you can work biglaw and get 160K, when a comparable job in Toronto pays $90K. First consider that your competition at Windsor will be easier. Second consider that if you're really that good, you can take that top 10% ranking, transfer to U of T your second year and interview in NYC from a school with a much more generous cutoff than Brooklyn or Cardozo. (You can take the NY and Mass bars with a Canadian law degree, and you can take the Cali bar after you pass any other US bar.) And Toronto biglaw's cutoff at Windsor is much more forgiving than the biglaw cutoffs at any of the US schools you mentioned except Fordham.
So all around, I think your prospects are much better in Canada. Also, for example, Osgoode takes your best three years of college. If that bumps your GPA up, you might be able to get into Osgoode, maybe with a few extra LSAT points, and they definitely take your best LSAT. Not only does Osgoode have low debt when compared to the US, Toronto biglaw goes very deep (about 50%) into Osgoode's class, and NYC biglaw goes about 20%, a little better than Brooklyn/Cardozo and a little worse than Fordham.