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Law School Applications / Re: it begins
« on: June 21, 2007, 09:12:30 AM »
Actually, I am not sure.  I took the LSAT again in June so we will see when the scores come out.  I was scoring 165-169 consistently before I took it so I might have a shot at a better school next round.  I probably will not go to USD though.  I am debating whether to tell Loyola that I am interested or not because I want to wait to see what that chance is.

So, if I understand right, the decision is between hanging on at Loyola vs. taking a year off living in SD?  If that's how it is, there can't be any harm in staying on at Loyola while keeping your SD place.  You'll have the June LSAT result in a little while, and from the sounds of the Loyola e-mail you may well have a response from Loyola at our around that time.  You can reassess in a couple of weeks, once you have all the information in front of you - especially since it seems that your continuing desire to attend Loyola depends in part on what you find out about June 11th.

The only reason I might suggest a different approach is if you're actually moving into the SD place in the meantime, in which case you'd probably be on the hook for a lot more $$ if you decide to head up I-5 in a few weeks.  Good luck! 

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Arizona State College of Law
« on: June 20, 2007, 11:54:59 AM »
Quote from: lonewolf
I dont know. It's about what, 120 degrees there today?

Another former Sun Devil here.  It's a dry heat, so you can take at least 2 degrees off the daily summer high...but probably no more than 4.   ;)



Yea, its a dry heat, and if the wind blows its like being in a convection oven. I loved Phx, but the heat can really wear you out after 100 days of being over 100 degrees.

Absolutely.  And the heat takes on a really distinctive character once you hit about 110, even without the wind.  It's heavy, all-encompassing.  Even with that, though, I'd personally trade New England winters for Phoenix summers any time.  As long as my car has AC (and my apartment has central)!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Arizona State College of Law
« on: June 20, 2007, 11:06:08 AM »
Quote from: lonewolf
I dont know. It's about what, 120 degrees there today?

Another former Sun Devil here.  It's a dry heat, so you can take at least 2 degrees off the daily summer high...but probably no more than 4.   ;)

I suppose summering in Arizona is the downside of going to ASU for law - or to U of Az, for that matter.  But as for the school-year weather...stunning.  And FWIW, I'd second almost everything that deepthought has said so far on the school and area, except that I didn't find Phoenix all that bland, at least for arts and culture.  It's not NY, so there's not infinite variety, but if you're willing to go with what's on offer, it's totally fine...even as a place to end up working after graduation, IMO.  With Gammage, a lot of things come straight to campus, which can be handy while you're in school. 

There's obviously tons of convenient outdoor rec, but in my experience the desert is really love it or hate it.  And since it seems that a lot of the placement opportunities coming from ASU are regional, in this case I think it's absolutely essential to visit before deciding to attend (this coming from someone who generally doesn't see much point in ASWs).

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Studying Formal Logic for the LSAT
« on: June 14, 2007, 08:34:42 AM »
Just a couple of quick followups here:

On the tennis/baseball analogy - I think it was Bernie who had an excellent post a while ago on the two factors that contribute to your LSAT performance.  They're basically (i) your skill level; and (ii) your testing ability.  I completely agree (it seems so obvious to me that I find it hard to believe someone could question it).  Studying logic will obviously improve your logical skill level if done well, but not necessarily your ability to test - to process information and make decisions and sometimes fine distinctions under time pressure.  For that, you need practice...timed practice, and lots of it.  That's what I think LuckyAC was trying to get at, and it's a point well taken.

Nevertheless, I do think there's an unfortunate tendency among those who are preparing for the LSAT to get stuck at a point on practice tests - just doing more and more questions and practice LSATs, trying to analyze their mistakes after the fact, and feeling that they will improve that way.  For some people who are already doing extremely well this is the way to go.  But for many people who are stuck at -10, -12, or worse on LR or RC, just practicing more in this way probably isn't going to help much.  The fact that you get 12 wrong on the LR portion of the test is good evidence that your logic skills aren't where they need to be if you're hoping to score extremely well.  And it's also good evidence that you're not good enough to improve much by self-diagnosis.

OK, that aside wasn't really for JusAccendi, who seems to have a good prep attitude - it's just for others who might happen on this thread.

EarlCat's observation makes me a little nervous - it surely can't be true that mistakes in reasoning lead to the right answers on LSAT questions for the right reasons (though mistakes might get you there accidentally from time to time)!  Of course, the formal logic you'd learn in an intro class doesn't apply to a lot of reasoning situations, and thus doesn't apply directly to a lot of LSAT questions.  I hope that's the real cause of the head explosions!  :)

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Studying Formal Logic for the LSAT
« on: June 13, 2007, 04:27:24 PM »
The best way to go, probably, is to prep like most people do:  let your favorite LSAT prep materials guide your studying.  That way you can get a sense of whether you need more work in a particular area, relative to its LSAT importance.  Use the more general texts to supplement them in problem areas, if you have any.

As far as supplements go, you might pick up Doug Walton's Informal Logic: A Handbook for Critical Argumentation.  That will cover most of the bases.  For work more geared to the RC section, but still applicable to LR questions, try Alec Fisher's The Logic of Real Arguments.  If you want a comprehensive volume, pick up Irving Copi's Introduction to Logic - an older edition, though...there's no need to spend 100 bucks on the latest one.

Don't worry about what you should cover beyond that (in particular, don't worry about predicate logic - with very, very, very few exceptions, propositional and categorical logic will get you through LR questions just fine).  Even that much might be overkill, depending on your skill level - the supplements will be most useful in areas where you're totally lost.

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