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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Arizona State College of Law
« on: August 17, 2007, 08:25:54 AM »
Does anyone else know what the job prospects for an ASU Law grad would be like in Southern California (San Diego especially)? 

Thanks

Well, I don't know, but a quick Martindale search turns up very few ASU grads in San Diego (I think it was 20 ASU grads in SD vs. 1240 grads practicing in Phoenix, just for a reference point).  ASU also seemed to have many fewer grads working in the city than a lot of the low T1s (and also a lot fewer than the regional T2s).

I don't know what that tells me, since I don't know how to factor out self-selection.  I'm personally inclined not to take those numbers too seriously, but I'd definitely take a long, hard look at the issue if SD is really where you want to end up.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Arizona State College of Law
« on: August 03, 2007, 04:06:51 PM »
Everyone is talking how nice the ASU campus is, but how about the actual law school?  Is it old looking, remodeled, brand new?  Most law school websites have information about and pictures about the facilities, but the ASU Law School website kind of sucks.  I've heard a lot about the school and think that I really might like it there (plus I am from San Diego).  Can anyone give me some insight into the quality of the actual law school facilities? Technology, WiFi, ect.  Thanks.

Here are some shockingly hard-to-find pics of the buildings.  First an aerial overview: http://www.asu.edu/ia/photogallery/aerial/10.htm
The law library, very interesting IMO, with construction date (1993) - don't ignore the 2 detail thumbs in the corner:  http://www.asu.edu/tour/main/lawlb.html
Some inside photos of R-B: http://www.hanishes.com/rocky/Studio/ASU%20law%20library%20images/

About halfway down this page there are four photos of the law school, with a floorplan: http://www.waltlockley.com/asu/asu2.htm
And Armstrong itself again, also with a thumb (lower right)..finally an 'inside' pic, but not very informative, I'm afraid:  http://www.asu.edu/tour/main/law.html

Wireless...both the law building and the law library are covered.  Wireless on campus is generally funky...hopefully a current student can update you on this, but it used to be sectioned into 4 or 5 different 'zones', and you couldn't easily pass from one to the other.  But that's only occasionally annoying, if it's even still like that.

Someone else will have to speak up as to the law classrooms etc.  I personally like the look and feel of the buildings, and don't feel in general that Armstrong's too badly off (the law lib. is obviously newer and just fine).

That's about as far as I can take you right now, which isn't very far, but I'll be there again in a few weeks and will report back if needed.

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Oh Canada! / Re: Dis-advantages of applying late..
« on: August 02, 2007, 03:11:36 PM »
Hi folks,..

sorry to bother you all again, but I wanted to make sure of one thing.

I may have to call U of T tomorrow, but I recognize that the deadline for applications is Nov.1 for most of Canadian schools. What would be disadvantages of submitting my LSAT score mid-December? Would that significantly lower my chance of being admitted to school? in case I can't take September LSAT... I may have to take Dec....

arg.. can anyone?

Well, you'd miss out on the early offers that seem to go out Dec/Jan.  But they do seem to be pretty conservative with the first round, so if your numbers are competitive after the Dec. LSAT you should be fine.  (Most, if not all, of the Ont. schools - which it sounds like you're targeting - will also take the Feb. LSAT, though generally they seem to warn against it.  There are some stories of people who believe that the Feb. sitting was too late, but I haven't heard about that for December...maybe others have, though.)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD vs Loyola
« on: July 26, 2007, 09:21:41 AM »
If you want to practice in Canada, you should attend a Canadian school.[...] 

For Asia, Harvard is reputedly best.

I second Lindbergh on this.  OP, you're hoping to end up in Canada or Asia, but considering schools that don't have a lot of national/international reach.  I'd seriously, seriously consider passing on Loyola and trying for somewhere - anywhere - in Canada for 08.  And for Asia, I'd just as strongly suggest sitting out and trying to get into a school with a great deal more reach/name recognition next time around.

Which is exactly what Lindbergh said, but it's so important that it bears saying twice.

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Oh Canada! / Re: Help
« on: July 24, 2007, 03:35:39 PM »
thanks for the advice, i actually posted on both here and lawstudents.ca but so far you have given me the best answer. I graduated with over 60 credits in my final two years, I think 66 to be exact. Will this have a positive or negative impact on their decision? I also have other additional courses under my belt such as the Canadian securities program, Canadian Investment funds program and my real estate license. Would these be considered as EC's? I know volunteer work is a positive and therefore have begun volunteering with the conservative party of Canada. 

Truthfully, it is only my first two years that i think will be detrimental to my admission, but i am willing to go to whatever school i get into. These first two years are veyr oor though as even though i think my gpa was 2.7. There are also  a couple of F's from my first year (I had a lot of maturing to do when i got of high school).

thanks again for the advice/opinion

I mentioned the 60cr thing just to make sure that you didn't take less than 60 in your final two (in which case some of the schools may have taken your second, not-so-good, year into account).  So, with that in mind, I'd be pretty confident about Alberta if I were you, and I think you're looking pretty good for Dal too.

The Fs are actually a "good" thing for a few schools: at Manitoba, UNB, UBC, even though they look at all 4 years, will drop your Fs, so the GPA they consider for admissions could be much higher than the, what, 3.2 CGPA that appears on your transcript.

For Manitoba, I'd go ahead and calculate your admission average.  You'll need to convert your GPA, course-by-course, to their 4.5 scale (A+=4.5; A=4.0; B+=3.5; B=3; C+=2.5; C=2; D=1; E/F=0), drop your 30 worst credits, including the Fs, and apply the following formula:  [(GPA with drops/4.5) * 50] + [((LSAT - 120)/6) * 5].  If the result is 75 or higher, you're good to go.  72-75 might do it.  less than 72, you're out.  If you get a funny number, check the Man law website to make sure I got the formula right.

UBC will drop your worst 12 credits.  So you may well have a shot there, especially if you've got 4 early Fs contributing to that 2.7.  But the LSAT seems a little low for them.  You'll have to do a detailed GPA conversion (to their % scale) and see where you stand at that point.  Your adjusted average would probably have to hit the 80s to be competitive with the 160.

UNB, well, you're probably good to go with the 160.  They'll drop the worst 25% of your credits (so the worst 30-ish, depending on exactly how many courses you took in ugrad), which should take care of you.

The other things - CSC, etc. - I'd say are helpful as ECs, so they're really only useful for Calgary and Windsor...and maybe Ottawa.  More important, likely, is what you've done with them and/or the story of why you took them (if it's interesting).  Can you find a way to weave it into your PS, if you apply to schools that ask for one?

To sum up, you're probably good to go at least at Alberta, Dal, UNB, and Manitoba.  You've definitely got a shot at Queens, Western, Calgary, Sask, and Windsor.  A few more LSAT points (say, the 165 you were hoping for) and UBC might come into range, though I think that about does it.  So even though you're not looking good at the Toronto schools, McGill, and UVic (Ottawa: who knows?), I think the odds are good you'll end up somewhere quite good (of those I listed, Alberta, Dal, Queens and Western are all pretty uncontroversially good places to end up, and the others would be fine too, depending on your geographic goals).  So yeah, it looks like a pretty good cycle - better than most, I'd wager.  Let me know if you've got any other questions.

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Oh Canada! / Re: Help
« on: July 24, 2007, 09:43:07 AM »
If you've already graduated, then some of the schools that look at your last 2 years only, or primarily, might be possible - look at Queens, Western, Sask, maybe Dal, maybe Alberta, if you took at least 60cr. in your final 2.  Also worth considering are the schools that drop some of your worst credits:  UNB, Manitoba (there are others - UBC, UVic - but those are probably beyond reach).  How much that helps you depends on whether you've got some low outliers bringing your GPA down.  I'd say everything else is either out or a very long shot, except for Calgary and Windsor, depending on your ECs.

I don't think you're totally safe anywhere, but if you're fine with rolling the dice and don't care too much where you might end up, it's definitely worth applying with the 160.  Good luck!

(Oh, and you'll probably get more help at lawstudents.ca than you will here.)

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Law School Applications / Re: Mail Call Thread 07-08
« on: July 14, 2007, 09:29:44 AM »
There's one for June LSAT test takers -> Not the only people applying this cycle
One for fee waivers -> Not the only mail people get
One for the '06 cycle which it states if you actually read the thread -> Not this cycle, and is 231 pages.  Not really helpful for this year's applicants.

This seems exactly right.  What's needed is a general thread for 07-08 mail, as witness the clutter about the Minnesota invite on the fee waiver thread (no reason not to keep the more specific threads going, of course).

So in the repetitive spirit:

Minnesota invite to apply (e-mail July 13)


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Law School Applications / Re: 2007-2008 Fee Waiver Roll Call
« on: July 12, 2007, 03:33:45 PM »
For those that are curious, I think you may need to register for LSDAS to get the waivers.

I think you might be right, my friend.  I got a Cardozo DC forum invite, but no fee waiver.  So I registered for LSDAS (where has the summer gone?).  Hopefully that changes my FW luck...

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Law School Applications / Re: 2007-2008 Fee Waiver Roll Call
« on: July 11, 2007, 07:51:57 PM »
Truman, I got Duke, Georgetown, and WM, but nothing from W&L. Did you register for the DC LSAC Forum?

My W&L is DC Forum-related.  Interesting - like Truman08 I got both WM and W&L, but no Duke (and, for the record, no GULC either).  >:(

LSAT>177, not really a splitter.

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Law School Applications / Re: it begins
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:39:48 AM »
I'll be attending USD but I'm also staying on the Loyola waitlist because I want to see what they would've done.... Too bad that Loyola is out of money because that was my main purpose in staying on the waitlist. I want use Loyola as leverage against USD...

But now that the leverage strategy seems to have played itself out, you'll surely get off the waitlist today, since you realize that some people on the list (like our OP) have a lot riding on getting as quick a response from Loyola as possible, while you're just out to satisfy your curiosity.  Right??

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