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General Board / Re: Read How This T4 Is Trying To Game USNWR Rankings…
« on: November 15, 2007, 06:20:47 PM »
It goes on at pretty much every school outside the T14.  Lots, and I do mean, lots of schools manipulate LSAT and GPAs by placing people into their part-time program then elevate them to full-time after first year.  It is a common practice, which is one of the many reasons why US News rankings tell you little outside the T14.

Georgetown much?

But seriously, you put a bunch of hungry people in a room with a rabbit, and someone's going to skin the rabbit.

Many people choose their school based on USNWR ranking, and UB (just like most other schools) is using available tools to try and get the rabbit.
WUSTL is another school that relies heavily on transfers.  A few other schools have adopted the same plan.  It also doesnt hurt that transfers pay full tuition. 

GMU works the fee waiver route to the fullest, but it seems like hte school has maxed out its ranking in this regard just as WUSTL has done the same with the transfer method.

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2L job search / Re: No job...what now?
« on: November 12, 2007, 03:03:51 PM »
You haven't even come close to maxing out your opportunities.  It's not to late in the game for mid-size firms.  In fact, a lot of them haven't even finalized their SA program yet which means they haven't started interviewing yet.  Go to lexisnexis.com/lawschool/career and search for mid-size/small firms in your area and start calling and sending out resumes.  Good luck.
This also depends greatly on the market youre looking at.  I applied to some 10-20 atty firms as a backup in late Sept. and they said they already filled their positions thru OCI.  I'm sure this varies depending on the market, but I know I was shocked when I heard from these rather small firms that they already made their summer decisions before Oct.

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2L job search / Re: How about DLA piper
« on: November 09, 2007, 07:44:41 AM »
I've heard a number of things from various attys about DLA.  I'll just pout off a number of things I heard... The main thing to know about the firm is that recently it has bought up a lot of firms to increase its share of the market.  Some attys think that such a strategy may hurt the firm as a whole b/c they think that the firm may not have thought through/strategically made these moves.  Another issue they had was that the firm doesnt seem to have an identity. The atmosphere will likely differ from one office to another at the firm too.  It seems like mostly a bunch of different firms with one name presiding.  Keep an eye on the revenue returns too, the profit-per-partner may have taken a hit from all this expansion.

PPP are over a mill I believe - they've gone up since the merger, not down, and they continue to rise each year.  I think that at any huge firm, different offices will take on different personalities/atmospheres, as will any practice groups.  The firm is growing, though, not just in terms of numbers, but in terms of client base, identity, prestige, etc.  There are definitely drawbacks to working for any huge firm, but there are also benefits - easy to tranfer to different offices if you have to/want to move, great secondment opportunities, high profile clients, big impact with pro-bono projects.

If you have specific questions regarding the firm or specific offices, pm or email me - I can probably provide some good information to you as I have fairly strong ties to the firm.
I just posted what I had heard from other attys about DLA.  They seemed concerned iwth firms that just constantly buy up places to expand.  I didnt look into DLA all that much myself as there were other firms that interested me more.  The conversation came up with a few different attys at other firms that have more of a traditional mindset with how to expand operations.

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2L job search / Re: DIfference between Clerkship and SA position
« on: November 08, 2007, 04:23:26 PM »
I had a few OCIs where the interviewer used the terms interchangeably.  However, the terminology of the position depends greatly on where the firm falls along the continuum - biglaw to solo.  At biglaw, it's SA; at solo, it's LC.  Right around midlaw (which differs ddepending on the city/location) the terms become intermingled and is probably a by-product of whether the people who started up recruiting came from biglaw or a smaller firm that used LC as the terminology.

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2L job search / Re: How about DLA piper
« on: November 08, 2007, 04:18:14 PM »
I've heard a number of things from various attys about DLA.  I'll just pout off a number of things I heard... The main thing to know about the firm is that recently it has bought up a lot of firms to increase its share of the market.  Some attys think that such a strategy may hurt the firm as a whole b/c they think that the firm may not have thought through/strategically made these moves.  Another issue they had was that the firm doesnt seem to have an identity. The atmosphere will likely differ from one office to another at the firm too.  It seems like mostly a bunch of different firms with one name presiding.  Keep an eye on the revenue returns too, the profit-per-partner may have taken a hit from all this expansion.

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2L job search / Re: No Callbacks - Now what?
« on: October 31, 2007, 01:23:17 PM »
I just did two callbacks for biglaw yesterday.  :D I assume (hope!) they're still hiring.
You also attend HLS.  If you peruse some of the firm websites, you'd notice that an unusual amount make HLS their last stop on the recruiting trail.  Firms probaly look for the top students from lower schools and figure that if they dont fill their ranks with an excellent student from those schools, then bringing on another HLS would do.  In other words, you can never have too many HLS associates.

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General Board / Re: Navy JAG results.
« on: October 29, 2007, 06:28:39 PM »
I was just wondering if there is ANYONE on here that applied for the Navy JAG that has heard anything? I received an email from LCDR Goldsmith last week stating that applicants would hear something by the end of the Month. I know it isn't the END yet, but I am really nervous and can't help but wonder!!
I havent looked into it, but arent the applications due by Nov 15?  If so, I have a hard time believing that all applicants would hear by the end of the month.  I also know that the JAG recruiters will visit a few schools in the coming weeks.  Im not sure what to read into your email, but it seems promising

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2L job search / Re: Emailing/Networking with Alumni
« on: October 27, 2007, 12:23:54 PM »
For starters, emailing an alum at a firm you want to work at isnt exactly random.  I've emailed plenty of alums asking about their experience at the firm and what it's like to work in that particular legal market.  If they work in the same area of law Im interested, I ask some pointed questions in that regard too. 

If youre applying to a firm with tons of alums, then you may want to limit it to ones working in the field of your interest.  However, you could always mention that they are free to forward along your information to any other alum who may be of interest.

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2L job search / Re: addressing a cover letter...
« on: October 19, 2007, 08:42:16 AM »
I've stuck to email even when no general email is listed.  It eliminates the posisbility of misspelling the name and having the receptionist respell the name N xs.

I dont understand.  Even if you send an email, you still have to address that email to someone. 

Yeah, either "To whom it may concern" or "Dear Recruiting Coordinator"...that's "someone".
If the firm provides a recruiting email without someone's name, I've just sent a "To Whom It May Concern" or "Dear Human Resources" and asked for a person's name.  They don't seem to mind, perhaps even like the notion that I took the effort to find out.  If the firm doesnt list a recruiting email, I try to contact one of my school's alum (1st looking for a ls alum, then ug if no ls alum).  Sometimes they'll tell you to direct it to them and they'll deliver it to HR.  With that said, I think it's good practice ot contact at least one alum at the firm youre applying and seek out an informational interview.  This has made the biggest difference in my employment for firms that Ive emailed my materials, even at biglaw firms.

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2L job search / Re: Waiting for offer
« on: October 18, 2007, 04:23:44 PM »
I'd call after 2 weeks.  It's not a big deal.  If youre concerned about sounding desperate, just say that you wantde to know your status b/c a few firms have inquired about whether you are going to accept their offer.

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