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For the wealthy white person AA is about making it seem like they are helping the "little disadvantaged guy" (which they are not)and for minorities supporting AA is about being given an advantage, whether or not they deserve it.

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Please, indulge us. Why the concern for "equality" now, in this very specific context?

I don't get bent out of shape over AA, but what do you mean "why the concern for equality now in this very specific context?"  Do you think that the majority of people who are opposed to affirmative action only care about equality when they are negatively affected by policies that promote evaluating candidates based on characteristics like skin color?  I think most people want others to be treated equally regardless of factors like this.

I would disagree.

I think most are self-interested twerps who are largely concerned with other people having "advantages" they do not have, while completely ignoring the advantages they themselves have had in life.

At any rate, I'd just like to hear their rationale, whether they fit my perceptions or not. 



or are you the self-interested twerp that just wants an advantage?  Or maybe your just racist and think that black people aren't as smart or as strong of candidates regardless of other factors in their life?  Or maybe you are racist and just don't like white people?  Personally I don't think a person should receive advantages or disadvantages because of their skin color.  Furthermore, I think most people who disagree with AA wouldn't have as much of a problem with if it were based on factors such as socioeconomic status.

What about the advantages you received because of your white skin?

Oh wait, you don't perceive such advantages, therefore they do not exist. I get it. You pulled yourself up with your bootstraps from the same deplorable conditions as the most destitute minorities, yet through your own faculties and merits you've succeeded, and furthermore you expect no assistance from anyone, nor do you feel it "fair" that anyone else receive assistance.

::yawns again::


Ghost what advantage have I ever received because I am White?

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TM, that seems to be what Ghost insinuated.

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I think most are self-interested twerps who are largely concerned with other people having "advantages" they do not have, while completely ignoring the advantages they themselves have had in life.

I'll bite, and hopefully won't regret it... I don't want to get into a big thing about this, but I would like to see if I can at least clarify for you why people think the way they do. (FWIW, I got in everywhere I applied, so AA didn't hurt me personally. Just so you know where I'm coming from.)

OK, so I think you acknowledge part of the problem people have, which is that a factor that one cannot control playing a big role in admissions. Reasonably smart people can work hard and get a good GPA and a good LSAT score... maybe not what they want, exactly, but at least in theory those are based on how YOU personally perform. Ditto for LORs, extracurriculars, work experience, etc. URM status is the one thing that the applicant has zero control over, yet it often has a huge impact.

But, as you say, lots of people have advantages they can't control: Wealthier people, for example, don't have to work in school, can hire LSAT tutors, grow up with the expectation of getting a good education, etc. So AA just compensates for that, right?

Not really. It's not like all white people are rich and all minorities are poor. Do you really think a black kid whose dad was a dentist should get advantages over a white kid who grew up in a singlewide? I don't. I would be more likely to support some sort of socio-economic AA than a race-based AA. I think it would give more real diversity than current programs as well as be more fair. If people actually have overcome a lot to get where they are, they deserve a boost.

What do you believe the reasons (or goals) for affirmative action are?


If the goals are to help those that are socioeconomically disadvantaged then why not help those with socioeconomic disadvantages regardless of race?

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Please, indulge us. Why the concern for "equality" now, in this very specific context?

I don't get bent out of shape over AA, but what do you mean "why the concern for equality now in this very specific context?"  Do you think that the majority of people who are opposed to affirmative action only care about equality when they are negatively affected by policies that promote evaluating candidates based on characteristics like skin color?  I think most people want others to be treated equally regardless of factors like this.

I would disagree.

I think most are self-interested twerps who are largely concerned with other people having "advantages" they do not have, while completely ignoring the advantages they themselves have had in life.

At any rate, I'd just like to hear their rationale, whether they fit my perceptions or not. 



or are you the self-interested twerp that just wants an advantage?  Or maybe your just racist and think that black people aren't as smart or as strong of candidates regardless of other factors in their life?  Or maybe you are racist and just don't like white people?  Personally I don't think a person should receive advantages or disadvantages because of their skin color.  Furthermore, I think most people who disagree with AA wouldn't have as much of a problem with if it were based on factors such as socioeconomic status.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: NYU 3L taking questions
« on: April 03, 2008, 02:33:27 PM »
Is not being a liberal going to make me feel out of place at NYU?

Do you know anything about the Federalist Society at NYU?

Did you find the student budget to be adequate (64,000 a year)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: WUSTL decisions tomorrow (4/2)
« on: April 01, 2008, 11:42:00 PM »
today was their deadline on paying the first tuition deposit...so if enough people decided not to then some decisions tomorrow may be acceptances


I paid mine, and then 3 hours later emailed saying that I decided not to go (you have till may 1st to request the deposit back...I was just a little faster than most probably.)  I decided that even with the scholarship to WUSTL I couldn't pass up NYU or CLS...

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Law School Applications / Re: UVA status checker went to decision!
« on: March 31, 2008, 07:31:50 PM »
seems that way for some

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Law School Applications / Re: UVA status checker went to decision!
« on: March 31, 2008, 06:39:25 PM »
maybe the adcoms are honest when they say it isn't all about the numbers.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: WUSTL tuition deposit
« on: March 31, 2008, 02:53:55 PM »
Just heard from NYU....no grants/scholarships

So the decision remains...WUSTL with 30k a year in scholarships so I'll graduate with about 112,000 in debt total (including undergrad) or NYU which I figure i'll graduate with about 220,000 in debt including undergrad...

That translates into about 16,000 in payments per year extra for 10 years after I graduate if I choose NYU.

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