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Current Law Students / Re: Bad grade
« on: December 18, 2007, 02:23:27 PM »
We have a B curve for 1L's and I don't think anyone gets lower than a C ... I mean, unless you SUCKED SO BAD (like didn't even know the subject at all).  I mean, bottom of the class is bottom of the class ... they just give the "gentleman's C" so it isn't a double kick to the groin. lol

I actually knew the law, I just failed to articulate it as well as I could have.  Missed part of an essay question, etc. 

um..wait for the rest of your grades and compare them to your class ranking before you freak out...and then even if you did poorly..still dont freak out.

i think one of the worst things about law school-which is the tradition in law school and not going to change-but still bad, is the feedback system which puts your grades in each class on 1 exam and releases the grades to that exam about a month to two months after you take it..and does so gradually so that your worst or best grade may apper first or last.  then these scores of your 1l essentially dictate your first job..and thus a large portion of your carrer path..reagrdless of ho had the flu when they were taking their exam..reagrdless of who becomes a genious of law in their 3rd year afte rthey have had any feedback at all.

Job Search / Re: An Important Message for 1Ls Scrambling for Firm Jobs:
« on: December 17, 2007, 08:47:01 AM »
As a former 1L SA, I'd like to respectfully disagree with the OP. If you know you want to work in a firm, why not try to work in a firm as a 1L? The jobs are hard to get, but if you get one, there are some big perks: 1) you get to find out earlier than your classmates if a firm is really for you. Yeah, you get a lot of fluff work as a SA, but it will be clear after three months whether you fit in at a firm and would want to work there. That way, if it's not for you, you have 2L oci to focus elsewhere (gov't honors programs, etc). For me, I decided that even though I love working at a firm, I just couldn't stand the city I thought I wanted to work and wanted to change cities for 2L. Second, even though you're working for a "big bad corporation," most SA's do a lot of pro bono work and volunteering, so you will get to feel like you're doing your part to make the world a better place. 3) It will put your resume a cut above your classmates if you work at a reputable firm 1L and decide to reinterview for 2L (assuming of course that you got an offer and didn't burn bridges with your 1L firm).

2 and 3 are goods points.

as to your first point:

im not sure the SA experince is a good proxy for the real life of a junior BIGLW guy.  i hear they get treated with more respect and work decent hours etc..all not true for a real associate.  but i know nothing about this type of work so ill go back to meditation before my torts final now.

Transferring / Re: taking transfer questions
« on: December 12, 2007, 08:22:09 PM »

There is little advantage to transferring from a T25 to a T14 unless you want to teach.  If you have the grades to move up, you will most likely make a journal and be set with SA jobs anyway.  I mean, there is something to be said for an ivy league degree though and sometimes the location is appealing, so whatever, I just know I opted not to.

or you want a shot at a circuit federal clerkship

Current Law Students / Re: Specific Civ Pro Questions
« on: December 12, 2007, 04:05:00 PM »
It has to be related to the original complaint too.

yes thats always a precodition of 15 if the statue has run

Current Law Students / Re: Specific Civ Pro Questions
« on: December 11, 2007, 04:00:11 PM »
if a federal satuate wants to come along and tell the distrcit courts they have more PJ than under 4ka than thats fine.

there isnt one for the MOST part (perhapps specifc statues out there expend statutory PJ for distict  ccourts in certin types of litgation....and thus 4ka is all that maters.

4kc obviously couldnt authorize expantion of the contituinal limits..only the statutory limits that the court is under by 4ka.
"right but what does the part about received notice of the action and knew or should have known that the action would have been brought against it BUT FOR a mistake in identity." (15(c)(1)(C)(i-ii))."

its one of the ways under 15 that an amendment to pleadings relates back after it has passed statue of limtiations.  if the other guy knew or should ahve know i just got the worng D..then he he cant say oh the statue ran..your a fool and now cant amend your pleadings to bring me in.

Current Law Students / Re: Specific Civ Pro Questions
« on: December 11, 2007, 10:40:41 AM »
answer to #2 is easy

12c is when you want the judge to look at both the answer and the complaint in the dissmisal motion.
12b(anything) is when your asking that the judge dismiss without even looking at your asnwer...

not substanitally diffrent ideas there though

answer to 1 is also not hard

basically federal personal juristiction is limited to what the state court could assert in terms of personal jurstiction in that area. (plus fed courts get the 100 mile bulge disscussed in 4k) now obviously...even without 4k the federal court would be limited to only PJ that is conittuinal...but 4k tells us that the federal court is limited by the long arm statue for the state in which they sit. (again plus the 4k 100 mile bulge)

as for 3-rule 15doesnt really put limits on joining a party beyond the joinder and suplemental juristiciton ones----

the talk about other parties in rule 15 is when the sttue of limitations has run and you misdentifed the party the first time and now want to amend to sue the right party the second itme around..but after statue has run...

Current Law Students / Re: Any Hope for Hopeless Situation?
« on: December 10, 2007, 07:32:30 PM »
for the jewish.

but yes happy holidays to all

ill talk to santa and have him bring you presents anyway.  i dont think he discriminates :)

does santa bring good grades...i just might convert....

Current Law Students / Re: Any Hope for Hopeless Situation?
« on: December 10, 2007, 07:13:20 PM »
for the jewish.

but yes happy holidays to all

Current Law Students / Re: Any Hope for Hopeless Situation?
« on: December 10, 2007, 04:31:18 PM »
this board has been turning slightly more colegial sicne exam started..with people apoligzing for being rude and acutally sharing common ground. if people think god will have mercy on them for being nice.


Current Law Students / Re: Any Hope for Hopeless Situation?
« on: December 10, 2007, 12:12:53 AM »
Military service and working on a crazy office or client deadline are also not the same kinds of pressure. I think it is a given that in an armed combat situation, your life REALLY is on the line, compared to your paycheck.

If I were going to rank what I would perceive as high pressure environments, I would rank them in this order

1) Active Deployed Military in a combat situation
2) Law School Exam
3) Working professional on a tight deadline

Each has a degree of sticking your neck on the chopping block, but we go from 1) possibly winding up dead to 2) prematurely killing or determining your future career based on one performance and 3) getting fired if you consistently don't do a good job

agreed 100%

which is why people telling the OP that stress is harder in real legal life may not necessarily be correct.
(and again..military service is entirely tangential and irrelevant to the OP)

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