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I agree with Reez on some points.

Yes, all profs have different preferences, so you can't assume that because the leading casebook in one area is the one your prof will use.

Some schools actually do release book lists early. Others don't. With some you have to wait till you get your schedule and section assignments which is usually during orientation, so you don't have time to order them online.

I think you can get some of your casebooks online cheaper if you have the time to order them and the time to shop around. Hit Amazon, ebay, and if you have the ISBN, use search by it instead of the title. I have gotten some real steals on casebooks and study aids online. There are some students that plan on reselling them and don't mark them up at all. Others are not that heavily marked up. The key is to order from someplace that is very specific about the condition of the book, not someone who just says "like new" or "good" because their idea of like new and good may not be the same as yours or the standards set forth on, for example, Amazon.

For my first semester, I couldn't order my books online because I didn't get my class assignments until orientation. From then forward, though, I ordered online and have cut my expenses in half, easily.

Also, I recommend buying new or at least unmarked books your first semester. Once you get a semester under your belt, you may find used with some highlighting is not that bad.

I also always buy whatever the edition the prof recommends, usually the most current. Some of my friends buy older versions, but a lot of my profs give assignments by page numbers, so they don't always correspond. And don't read in advance. Not all profs start at page 1. Most jump around and some even skip sections

Current Law Students / Re: Best study aids for Evidence & Con Law?
« on: June 20, 2009, 08:53:23 AM »
There is substantial overlap but there is also new material in easy to understand terms. If you are struggling, it can definitely help fill in the gaps. I used it here and there but not regularly. In fact, I found my prof actually hit on some things in the supp but not in the casebook. Just my experience.

Current Law Students / Re: Best study aids for Evidence & Con Law?
« on: June 13, 2009, 10:41:10 AM »
If you are looking for something short and to the point, I liked the Crunchtime: Evidence book and the Finals (Law School Exam Series) book on evidence. The outlines are condensed to the bare basics though, so if you are struggling with something, it may not be the best for you. If you are just looking for an overall study guide, they should be fine. Each also has sample Q&A and flow charts.

For con law, agreed ... Chemerinsky

I agree you should probably wait until classes start. Although there are benefits to buying now (you can usually get a lower price on amazon or ebay because the damand isn't as high), you might find yourself with a shelf full of books you never even crack open either because you don't need to or you just don't have time because you bought 5 outlines for 1 class.

If you are determined to start buying now, ones I would recommend that probably are not a bad investment either way are Glannon's E&E for Civ Pro and as previously mentioned Chemerinsky for Con Law.

Current Law Students / Re: Anyone Use BarBri Outlines?
« on: May 17, 2009, 09:27:33 AM »
I found it helpful. Some subjects more so than others.  I agree it might not go into as much detail as your prof does, but no outline except one from a 2L or 3L who had the same prof usually does. ALso, it isn't meant to be as in depth as an E&E.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Study Aids/Commercial Outlines/Hornbooks/etc.
« on: May 07, 2009, 09:20:39 AM »
I agree. The Civ Pro E&E by Glannon is very good. My prof actually recommended it. I didn't use it for the entire class, just areas where I was struggling. It spelled things out very clearly.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Study Aids/Commercial Outlines/Hornbooks/etc.
« on: May 06, 2009, 07:45:42 AM »
I agree with Unbiased. Some profs will recommend one while others will recommend against one.
Also, I don't think you'll an E&E, commercial outline and hornbook for every class. You'll find some classes easier than others and might not need any. Others you might need and E&E and an outline just to supplement your own.
Also, some of these can become quite expensive so wait, talk to other students at your school who had the class with the same prof and see what they used, and check out your library. They probably have some on hand for you to flip thru to see which you might prefer and works best for you before you invest a ton in everything.
that said, if you are looking for a quick review right before finals, I always liked the Crunchtime series. It was very short and to the point, gave helpful exam tips, and had practice Q&A's.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: used or new supplements
« on: May 06, 2009, 07:39:46 AM »
It depends on the class. Torts definitely. Con law changes so much you will want recent.

Current Law Students / Re: What to do at the start of the semester
« on: May 03, 2009, 12:55:59 PM »
I started outlining about 2-3 weeks in. Before that, I didn't think I had a big picture. But then again, my outlines don't really look like what some people consider the standard outline, so I say do what it best for you. That is what is most important.

I don't think they are the same. I am going from memory though, so I could be wrong. But I used both as a 1L and I would hope I would have remembered that.

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