2Lman- in the same vein that its "good" to give poor people T-4 grads, isn't that the same mentality when admitting subpar minorities, so minorities have counsel "they can relate to", despite their qualifications?
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I think there are some great debates goin on in this forum- both sides making valid arguments. However, at first glance 2LMan made a seemingly golden point about the med school student ...
What i say to that - not every med school student can graduate top of the class- in fact, only 1 can graduate first (unless there is a tie in the gpa) but you get the point. It comes down to reputation in practice. I would not mind a 2.5 grad working on me as long as his performance is great, through reputations, etc.
There is this independent film with dan lauria and winnie from the wonder years- she is pissed about not getting a job or something and she says "i have a 4.0, blah blah blah" and he says, great- that means you are a GREAT student- practicing is different.
We have a professor here who graduated 1st in her harvard class. I guarantee you she doesn't think the person who graduated last in her class is stupid, nor are they doing bad either. It's what you make of the education and how it translates to the practice field.
So 2LMan, although i dislike many many of your arguments, i can see the point you are trying to make, but I will say that "bad student" does not always translate to "bad practitioner" and vice versa. also, as far as the tier rankings, its proven law schools will sometimes cheat and lie to get ahead of the rankings. who knows, maybe my school is really a top 50- or maybe its really a tier 4? Its all politics but i think once you are out and working, its up to you to prove your worth.
I go to a TTT - Third Tier Toilet, as some insecure losers like to dub it. Yea, im talkin about you. I don't think we expect to graduate making 100K- but in the top of the class, like every law school class, they walk out of here making 80-100K and for the rest of them (im on top thank God) they make 50-60 starting out. I don't think that's bad, especially after a few years in the field your school "prestige" matters very little. As far as education goes, I don't attend any other law schools so i can't attest- but i seem to be learning and when i talk to my buds at virgina and W/L, we seem to have covered the same material. If you want to go to a TTT, make sure you really wanna go to law school. If you wanna go to a T-4- make sure you REALLY wanna go to law school.
my .02 cents
man- at my school- summer start program is total bs- 1) they take classes in the summer that count towards their GPA so basicaly they all have a-b averages. Second, they have lighter class loads or just take regular schedule and graduate early or what not- its BS that so many of them are top of the class because they ride on their summer GPA's and over all training they received. I hate the program, think it should be abolished. Gives unfair advantage to kids who shouldnt be in law school anyways.
no life in law school unless you are a nazi when it comes to time management.
translation- i just spent 30 hours this weekend (fri-sun) working on a paper. You think i got laid? negative.
drunk? nope. watched a movie? not quite. now THAT's time management.
here's the deal, last semester i did the "9-5" thing and pulled overtime for finals and im top 10. This semester ive been slacking and i will probably suffer because of it. I'm sure you can have a life, it just depends- a case by case basis. plus, if u go somewhere where there is no life, well then it doesnt matter.
They will tell u to treat it like a 9-5 and make time for yourself. but class alone is 9-5. then you have homework.
good luck with your new hours. i suspect there will be lots of coffee brewing.
1) u of a is not "second highest" in t-3 rankings, it is ALPHABETICALLY second.
2) you might not come out of U of A with "no debt" unless there are no stipulations in maintaining the scholarship. At my school if you drop below a 3.0 you loser your money and if you get above a 3.0 you get money.
3) It is not advised to go to the same law school as your undergrad, i believe employers like diversity, but that may just be a rumor.
4) Depending on how high OU is ranked, it might not even be worth it. If its not top 75 at least, i wouldn's weigh it against at least one year of free law school.
hope that helps.
i haven't read all the posts- but capital? are u serious? and thats a scholarship only for the first year-
anyways, ready the case pyeate v pyeate (i'm pretty sure thats how its spelled) I got called on for contracts for this case and it was really interesting. seems like you could potentially find yourself in the same situation.
be careful haha.