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You've already seen the bimodal salary distribution chart...

You also have more time to read when you're not in law school. 

Maybe this is a crazy solution, but... if you want to live abroad, and you don't care about practicing law, but you want a legal degree...
Why not go to law school abroad?  Being a student in a foreign country is fun and it would probably be more intellectually fulfilling than being a low-level worker. 

Current Law Students / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 13, 2008, 11:09:18 AM »
I don't see that spelled out in the previous post on this thread.  But, again, financial reasons don't distinguish you from other students who are taking on massive debt to go to T14.  Perhaps you have a unique family situation, but there are T14s in Illinois. 

The only thing separating you from the kids at the T14 is that they got in and you didn't; you can add as many other excuses as you like, but it doesn't change the bottom line.  I just think it's lame when people defend being at the T3/T4 by saying "I could have gotten in to T14, if only I'd had time to study for the LSAT!" (You can fill in other lame reasons.) Just rings hollow. 

If you retake LSAT and can get into a better law school, you'd have plenty of opportunities to see the world through the legal profession.  You could study abroad and do school-sponsored externships your 1L summer, and many international law firms have offices in Brussels, Paris, Madrid, London, Doha, Sao Paulo, Tokyo...

Job Search / Re: Advice...2L no job.
« on: April 13, 2008, 06:43:35 AM »
The best you can probably hope for right now is a paid (probably hourly) position with a very small firm; however, even many of those are not hiring right now.  If not, you'll need to do volunteer work for a non-profit or government agency and just take out additional loans to cover your summer.  Even if it's expensive, you've really got to just do it or you'll find yourself compounding a bad situation for next year.  I suggested, but someone said the origination fees are pretty high.  If so, try for person-to-person lending.

Current Law Students / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 13, 2008, 06:12:46 AM »
I don't think the LSAT, as used in admissions, is correlative to grades.  Probably what is correlative is more the score "bands" -- the range of scores that you'd probably fall in if you took the test on any given day.  Although the difference between the high end of the band and the low end is probably crucial to admissions (say 164-170, 169-175) it probably isn't that statistically significant.

But I've found that what sets the students apart in the T14 is more than LSAT and grades.  While I'm sure there are a few people who are "average" in the soft factors and just performed well on the LSAT/GPA measure, most of the people I know in the T14 both fall within the LSAT/GPA range AND have extraordinary prior work experience and soft factors.  For the most part, my peers are not people who just did generic things like Student Congress, volunteered, mock trial, played intramural sports and ran the fraternity fundraiser.  They're often people who have already reached the top of another field in just a few short years or founded nationally-recognized non-profits while in college or are otherwise stand-out in the arts or research sciences.  Again, that's my experience -- food for thought. 

Current Law Students / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 12, 2008, 09:47:22 PM »
The only thing separating me from those at top tier schools is that I didn't have the time to dedicated and study for the LSAT.
That's like walking in to an art gallery and saying "I could paint that."  The point is that you didn't.  Saying you could paint it doesn't mean you could actually do it. 

Few people really have time to study for the LSAT.  If you have good judgment, then you MAKE time to study for the LSAT.  And, hypothetically, if more time to prepare would have increased your LSAT score so dramatically, then really the thing that separates you from those at top tier law schools is JUDGMENT and prioritizing. And that IS important for being a lawyer.

Even if I did, I wouldn't have been able to attend a top tier. school.

What is that supposed to mean?  Cost?  Because the crap law schools charge almost as much as the fancy schools... and almost all of the people at the T14 pay for school the same way as everyone at T4 -- loans.  (And, well, high-paying summer jobs.) Nobody in the T14 has $100,000 to $200,000 shoved between the couch cushions.  Anyone can afford to go to a top tier law school if they want.

Current Law Students / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 12, 2008, 02:11:06 PM »
Or that a person doesn't want to work at a big firm (and not be miserable)?  Or a person wants to work for themselves?

I think a lot of the students at lower-ranked law schools are guilty of defensive stereotypes like this.  They're so sure that the students who go into biglaw will be miserable, have no work/life balance, and work so many hours just so they can watch their stock holdings grow.  But going to a lower-ranked law school doesn't take you out of the rat race.  Most lawyers in small firms or who work for themselves don't have a "billable hours requirement."  But feeding your family -- and some years, just trying to break even -- imposes it's own tough hours requirement.  Small law/self-employed often work just as hard as biglaw attorneys for a fraction of the pay.  Perhaps the work is more rewarding, perhaps not.  And whether or not you have a high quality of life depends on the firm and the individual attorney, whether you're in biglaw or small-law.  I know many happy biglaw attorneys and many happy small-law attorneys, and plenty of miserable lawyers in both groups.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just tired of hearing that argument from T3/T4 students.

Current Law Students / Re: Summer starters have an "unique" advantage?
« on: April 12, 2008, 02:58:56 AM »
Precisely.  I am talking about making at least $2k/week.
Well, I'm not waiting tables... I got multiple offers meeting your criteria and picked two of those. 

Current Law Students / Re: Summer starters have an "unique" advantage?
« on: April 11, 2008, 05:37:44 PM »
If you're so mature... why do you need to come on internet message boards and try to set "kids" straight by posting off-topic ad hominems? 

Someone said how hard it was to get a 1L summer job even at a T14.  I said, in my experience, it wasn't.  Sorry if it sounds like arrogance -- it just wasn't that hard for us to get a summer job.  A message board where people are trying to exchange information isn't the place to bother with false modesty.   

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