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General Board / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 14, 2008, 12:08:35 AM »
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I also think my very early point about T3/T4 students with defensive stereotypes (imagining that everyone at the T14 is a "spoiled rich straight-from-undergrad blue-blood type with no 'real world' problems and experiences, who will have a terrible quality of life and work a million hours" so that you can console yourself with "I will be happy in my low-paying job!" where you have to work just as many hours for no pay) and lame "I could have been a contender!" or "There's no real difference!" statements was pretty well evidenced.  Exhibit A: Hugh Jass.  Not only do those people come off as jerks as well, but they also sound delusional.

Exhibit B: Jondub.  He just made this exact same lame argument.

I totally agree with this post. I don't go to a t3 or t4 but I support you guys in all you do. This board and so many others are actually pretty disgusting. Where you go to school does not wholly determine where you will be in 10 years and if truly do think that, then you are very naive.

All people who go to law school, any law school, are pretty smart or at least ambitious. Someone going to a top 10 law school may be smart, but I would tend to aay that they are not as ambitious as one who goes to a lower ranked school. Ambition for me is 99% of the game, rankings is the other 1%. Firms won't hire you just because you graduated from a top 10-25 law school, you kind've still have to be good, despite what a lot of people think. Mind you I am not talking about Harvard Yale or Stanford.

I just wanted to say that it really doesn't matter one bit where you go, what matters is what you want to do, what you have done to get there, and whether or not you can stick to your goals without being distracted, etc. Most of the people at big firm jobs and I am not knocking people who love big firms, quit within 5 years because they can't take it, so while they'll make boatloads of cash, trust me, most of them will hate their lives after that. Either way, whatever floats your boat. Don't knock the players in the game, knock the game itself. People who just come on here to rant about rankings are beyond pathetic, they need to be looking for jobs instead of looking for affirmation. They can't get it from mommie and daddie enough so they get it online haha.

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General Board / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 14, 2008, 12:07:07 AM »
He also said:

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But that still does not change my feeling that all law schools learn the same stuff. While some schools have bigger libraries, richer doners, fancier lawns, and the professor drive more expensive cars, they all teach the same stuff.
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I was referring to the fact that I had everything else that they have, High GPA, a great deal of work experience, great work ethic etc...
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The only thing separating me from those at top tier schools is that I didn't have the time to dedicated and study for the LSAT.

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just those clowns that think they have it made because they attend a top tier school and feel the need to criticize us that cannot go.

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I think part of the reason that most of the people who trash lower tiered schools is because that have a severe need to feed their self-worth. I guarantee that, with the exception of certain state law, we are all learning the same material.

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Most assume that we all want the big firm job working 80+ hours a week. I have no desire for such a thing. I have a family and would much rather make less money but have a life.
  (Making less money doesn't mean you have a life.  Poor lawyers work just as hard as rich lawyers.)

Awful arrogant (and ignorant) for a guy with less-than-impressive grades at a fourth tier law school.

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General Board / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 13, 2008, 11:44:37 PM »
This isn't a blog.

I also think my very early point about T3/T4 students with defensive stereotypes (imagining that everyone at the T14 is a "spoiled rich straight-from-undergrad blue-blood type with no 'real world' problems and experiences, who will have a terrible quality of life and work a million hours" so that you can console yourself with "I will be happy in my low-paying job!" where you have to work just as many hours for no pay) and lame "I could have been a contender!" or "There's no real difference!" statements was pretty well evidenced.  Exhibit A: Hugh Jass.  Not only do those people come off as jerks as well, but they also sound delusional.

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2L job search / Re: Advice...2L no job.
« on: April 13, 2008, 10:07:30 PM »
I think "mass mail" as used means to send out as many applications as possible - at least dozens and dozens and dozens.  It doesn't mean just a resume with a complete form letter, but changing a few things for the firm, geographic location, practice areas.

At this point, I wouldn't tell the person to target a particular practice area or interest, but to write a letter that says you want to do whatever they have. :)  Targeting and selectivity was for December - January.

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General Board / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 13, 2008, 09:14:48 PM »
So you could have gone to Vandy, since that's closer.  The point is that you could have lived somewhere in between, requested additional funds to hire some help, and made arrangements.  If you truly believe you have the ability to go to a higher-ranked school, then I'd go with the short-term hectic life for the more secure future rather than gambling.  All of those "things you had to do" are conflicting constraints on time that EVERYONE has to deal with in any number of permutations.  So back to my earlier point calling BS to your lame excuses.


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But that still does not change my feeling that all law schools learn the same stuff. While some schools have bigger libraries, richer doners, fancier lawns, and the professor drive more expensive cars, they all teach the same stuff.

Balsenschaft is just taking his statement to be true for the purposes of the argument, but I certainly disagree.  Top law schools and T4s do not at all teach the same stuff.  They don't teach in the same style, they don't cover the same material, and the course selection is entirely different.  T14 students are not usually encouraged to take courses that will be on the state bar.  The clinic opportunities aren't the same. We're learning constitutional law from people who KNOW the Supreme Court because they worked at the Supreme Court.  Participating in a class discussion with other brilliant students is objectively a better learning experience than a class discussion with students who are not intelligent.  You learn to argue more skillfully if your opponents are better. 

You won't necessarily get a terrible education at a T4, but the difference is more than superficial.  And employers know that.

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2L job search / Re: Top x%....
« on: April 13, 2008, 09:00:06 PM »
The billables are between 1600-2000 in secondary markets. 

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My brother (a successful attorney from a low T2) thinks I should attend as he feels my science background will give me an edge.

Depends on the science background.  Master's or PhD?

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Brasky, with a 3.17 and a 162, you should go to law school if you want it.  I just don't think you should go this fall to a T3.  Retake the LSAT (or not, whatever), take a year off and work.  You can save $5-10,000 for school during the year.  And the cost-benefit analysis still works out better than a $20k/yr scholarship at T3 to go to a higher-ranked school.  A higher-ranked school gives you a much better chance of getting a 1L job ($20-30k right there), a 2L job (another $20-30k) and a job when you graduate (an additional $30-100k/yr right there...)

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Well, obviously you can take the BAR a few years after graduation.  That's what Google is for.  If you don't want opinions, don't go to a discussion board.  Wasn't sure if you'd considered getting your law degree abroad, but it would allow you to fulfill two of your goals. 

If you just want it for the intellectual experience, though, I'm not sure that the schools you are choosing between are the best choices for that... 

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I saw you say in another thread that you had a 162 on the LSAT.  Take a year off, retake the LSAT and get into a Tier 1 school.

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