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« on: April 14, 2008, 05:17:58 PM »
That is wonderful that you are going for cheap to a T3 school if that's what you want.
I would think that the only real "costs" of a T14 are full price at something like $150,000-200,000 unless you've got something else to add the scale. Benefits are the psychological benefit of being elite and being recognized as elite, distinguished faculty, quality of the students, the "brand name" of the degree and associated benefits, national mobility, easier ability to clerk, easier entry into academia, "first shot" at premium public interest and government jobs, alumni network, institutional resources, a personal network of the future leading class, academic experience, additional courses, fancy adjuncts, free ITunes cards & cocktails, being recruited instead of begging, well-funded debt repayment programs for those going in to public interest/government, $20k-30k per summer, and a $145,000-160,000/starting job that's yours to lose.
Weight factors accordingly, and the analysis is up to you. Are you debating a transfer or just a "for the heck of it" proposition?
(Also, cost-benefit analysis exists separately from the Learned Hand negligence formula.)
« on: April 14, 2008, 12:36:32 PM »
Dude what the f**ck is the matter with you Peaches?
Yeah, knocking him is sort of low-hanging fruit. Sorry that bad things happened to him this year; that sucks. Sorry if I come off as a huge ass. He still doesn't know what the hell he's talking about though.
And, Hugh Jass, we spent about 10 minutes going over RAP and res ipsa. The curriculum, philosophy, and style of teaching are completely different at the T14. We all learn a few basic things and take some similar courses in the first year, but after that it's a different ballgame.
« on: April 14, 2008, 10:12:57 AM »
Take a week this summer in early August to travel to the geographic market where you want to work. Mass-mail firms in July saying "Here is my cover letter, I will be in the area August 9-14, I want to schedule an interview", and be sure to follow up. This will set you apart, show you are serious about the geographic area, allow you to interview early, and let you bypass on-campus interviewing and go straight to callback for some firms. They're more likely to bring you in because there's no hotel, airfare, etc. Do mock interviews with the career services office, ask them to be ruthless on your feedback, and ask them to try a few different styles of interviewing.
The more the GPA drops, the more you widen your net.
« on: April 14, 2008, 09:45:45 AM »
Cooley also invites the disdain by issuing their own rankings.
(I think Cooley is something like #17 on the Cooley list.)
Hugh Jass: I also divide trashing the schools in the T3/T4 and the students. I usually pity the students who were misled by the T3/T4 schools about their job prospects, and only trash the students on a case-by-case basis.
It seems like arrogance to me that you assume that T14 law schools are the same basic quality as T4 law schools. And it seems arrogant to say that you are on-par with T14 students when you can't rise to the top of your T4. You seem ignorant about even the careers you're interested in. Even with your more modest goals, it should make you wonder that your "more than impressive" (top 1/3 at T4...?) grades and T4 school don't qualify you for JAG internships. (And in all seriousness, I think it's possible that your writing skills/grammar hurt you. I usually don't critique grammar on internet discussion boards, but a lot of your errors aren't typos or colloquialisms or rushed informal typing, but embedded flaws that you probably don't even notice.)
And prosecutors and PDs are all overworked and underpaid. Do you know any? I do. My parent is a T4 law school grad and worked as a prosecutor, a PD, private practice, etc. for over 20 years before finally making some money.
The legal market then was different. There weren't as many law schools, there weren't as many law graduates, rankings weren't king, school loans were smaller, and the legal market was inherently more local. Even then it was hard, and our family had some rough times. You are deluding yourself if you think you won't be working long hours and if you think that a T4 is setting you up for an easy, even if modest, life.
« on: April 14, 2008, 02:20:30 AM »
Do you mean starting threads? (This is a discussion board. The topics are called threads. The responses are posts.)
At any rate, people who start the "Cooley Law Sucks" threads (and Cooley Law, objectively, sucks) also start threads about "White Girls With Asian Guys." Most of them are undergrads and T14 hopefuls, not actually T14 students.
Also, some boards tend to be more populated by T14 students and others more populated by T3/T4 students. So you'll see disproportionate threads antagonizing one or the other depending on the board.
And you don't see "Yale Sucks" threads because Yale doesn't suck. But you do get the same kind of anti-T14 defensive generalizations, stereotypes, and self-puffery from fourth tier students.
« on: April 14, 2008, 01:46:00 AM »
I was initially interested in IP in a general "that may be cool" sense, but when I went to the IP society meetings and spoke with recruiters it was clear that bare minimum you have to be patent bar eligible with science background and the trend is moving towards students with advanced degrees or significant work experience in the field.
Financially, you'd probably be better off not getting MS/PhD and going straight to law school, but gearing your interests to a few practice areas rather than just banking on IP.
« on: April 14, 2008, 01:37:06 AM »
Again -- not a blog.
I've been responding to the original topic all along -- it's clear that the T3/T4 lower-ranked students can exhibit matching (or exceeding) arrogance and disdain for the T14 students. We just think that their arrogance is probably misplaced.
« on: April 14, 2008, 01:12:10 AM »
My god, T14 people may be sheep, but T3 and 4 students are f**cking lemmings.
« on: April 14, 2008, 01:07:18 AM »
Look, jon, don't hate the player. Hate the game.
« on: April 14, 2008, 12:20:31 AM »
Did you just agree with me... and then also endorse something that said the exact opposite?
Jonjub gave you garbled superficial nonsense that belongs on a poster with a cat in a first grade classroom about "99% ambition, 1% ranking" and "don't hate the player, hate the game." That's not how it plays out in the real world.
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