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You act like being the President requires a genius.  Lets be honest, you or I could do the job a President does just as easily as anyone else.  The President doesnt have to be a genius and have all the solutions to the world's problems.  All the Pres has to have is a good head on his shoulders.

Do you really think the Pres makes all the decisinos that happen in the Executive branch?  No way.  He surrounds himself with a bunch of really smart people, places them in positions that they have expertise in, and is a coalition building diplomat.  What is so hard about that?  You give too much credit to the President.

The President is the most powerfullest man in the World. Do you really think that anybody on this message board, hell anybody that you KNOW can handle that type of power? The average CEO makes deals with the devil every day, but the President looks Satan in the eye. You really think that being President is "easy" just because you have a Cabinet of advisors?

When sh*t goes wrong, who does the country blame?

The President

back in the 70's when inflation hit 17%, who did everybody blame?

President Carter, when that man had less control over the economy than you or I.

Gas prices goes up, who is blamed for it?

Bush, when the Shieks over in OPEC and every other place that we buy oil from are the real reasons why gas prices are so high.

The majority of us can't fathom the idea that the wheels of the world are turned by dozens upon hundreds of other people and corporations or entities, it is easier for us to accept in our minds that everything that happens is bcuz the President says so.

Everything that goes wrong with the country is immediately dumped on YOUR shoulders. You can't toss blame to any other person because no other person is elected but you. Yer Sec. of War or Sec. of Education gives you bad advice, who bears the brunt of it? You The President is THE figurehead of one of the last superpowers in the world. You have complete control over the most powerfullest military in the country. One word from you and we invade a nation and uproot their leader. One word from you and we fire nuclear missiles into a country on the opposite side of the globe.

That's power and responsibility that very few people should have. Do you really think it's a coincidence that the Presidency remains in the hands of only a select few people? Bush and Kerry are cousins. Reagain is Bill Clinton's God-father. If Hillary gets elected, then that means we'll have had a Bush or Clinton in office for 20 years.

Don't get it twisted, being President ain't worth that measely $400k a year. Bush is an idiot, but he's got a family of politicians behind him that have had power and money since before WWII. Once you can say that you have those same resources, then you can say that you or I can do what the President does.

None of that goes to the qualifications needed for being President, unless you think there is a way to measure emotional strength.  And if that is the case, then Oprah is more qualified than Obama

The President doesnt have to be some kind of genius to do a decent job.  All he has to do is have a good head on his shoulders, some good advisors and a be decently intelligent.  You could do that, Young coudl do that, and Obama certainly could do that.

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You act like being the President requires a genius.  Lets be honest, you or I could do the job a President does just as easily as anyone else.  The President doesnt have to be a genius and have all the solutions to the world's problems.  All the Pres has to have is a good head on his shoulders.

Do you really think the Pres makes all the decisinos that happen in the Executive branch?  No way.  He surrounds himself with a bunch of really smart people, places them in positions that they have expertise in, and is a coalition building diplomat.  What is so hard about that?  You give too much credit to the President.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:26:11 PM »
being president isn't really that much different than being a CEO of a major corporation. Harpo wouldn't be that bad - certainly no worse than Bush. I wouldn't vote for her though, I hate her show.

Why do you "hate" her show?  Is is too touchy feely for you?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:16:18 PM »
Are you guys serious about Oprah on the ticket? Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard....

Why, because she is a celebrity?  Hardly a disqualifier considering the support Republicans have for Arnie and had for Reagan.  Please explain how a nurturing, caring, thoughtful, intelligent and articulate Oprah is any worse than the other career politicians.

Because she's never had to piss anybody off before. It's easy to be popular when you have deep pockets and can give away EVERYTHING.
my question is, how is she anyworse than Reagan or Arnie?

Brilliant as she may be, I still don't trust her to make important decisions about foreign policy and the economic future of the country. I don't think she would have any idea when to raise or cut taxes. You think Obama doesn't have the resume to be President? How does Oprah's experience counseling marriages and helping us navigate grocery store aisles qualify her to be the leader of one of the most powerful nations on earth?
You give too much credit to the President.  It isnt brain surgery.  Hell, it probably isnt even as intellectually demanding as law school.  W is about as dumb as a post, but that didnt stop him from being President.  Elections are popularity contests, and Obama and Oprah would be very popular. 

Plus, the President doesnt make all of the decisions, usually he delegates those to his cabinet.  You trust Obama and Oprah to pick good people for the cabinet right?  That's all a Pres and VP need to do.  That and inspire confidence in teh American people and trust and credibility in the leaders of other countries.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:11:14 PM »
Are you guys serious about Oprah on the ticket? Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard....

They're all ridiculous. She's name recognition + popular + nice.

Compare to Bush in 04:
She doesn't seem to hate anybody, she can't be bought, she's been out of the country. She runs a bigger company than he ever had, has excercised more executive management than he had, and know some folks from every corner of every state.

Sounds good to me.

Red...gotta disagree with you on this one.  This may be borderline offensive, but it's the most effective way to say it: Oprah is America's Mammy.  I'll certainly agree that during her hour on television she's nurturing, giving, kind, can make us feel better and all of these wonderful things.  But is it more than that? Am I not getting something?   

Borderline offensive?  I think calling Oprah a Mammy is very offensive.

Aside from that, what are her flaws? She is intelligent, articulate, has good ideas, can deal with responsibility, is fantastically rich, yet does many charitable things for the poor.  What is the drawback?  I would bet that a significant portion of her audience is made up of stay at home moms, AKA highly conservative women.  What are her drawbacks?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:07:11 PM »
1) Pointing to W really worked out in 04 didn't it?

2) She was a First Lady who wasn't by their definition a "lady".  That's what sticks in their craw.  But more importantly can you think of a candidate that would win a Democratic nomination by being anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and for school prayer etc.?  Because take my word for it, that's the only way they won't irk conservatives.

3)"Oprah has charisma and the trust of everyone that watches her show." About 8 million people do.  Make of that what you will.

4)Quit playing "Cowboys and Indians".  Make the populace identify with you instead of against you.  The Army can't win in the tradition sense, particularly when they can't differentiate between the enemy and civilians.  This makes the soldiers hostile and breeds hostility in kind.  Shift the focus from engaging the enemy to improving infrastruture.  Basic services, health, safety should be paramount to fighting an enemy that four years into it, everyone should have realized we're doing more to create than conquer.  Garner control of smaller, critical segments and rebuild as quickly as possible rather than a campaign of dispersed control--absolute control is impossible at this point.  I don't know if the realities of living in a war-torn country are familiar to you, but after some time has passed with no relief, people start to idealize the previous order, flawed and corrupted as it might have been.  We do not, under any circumstances , want to get to that point with the Iraqi people.  Civil war in Iraq would be very, very bad for us.  Is this difficult to accomplish with the Army overextended as it is? Yes, but it's the only way out. 

1. Republicans cannot honestly raise an objection to Obama's credentials; they elected George W. Bush with zero national political experience and no understanding of foreign policy.

Republicans have a way of raising objections and seeing where it leads.  They will.

2. Obama could win, but not with Hillary.  She is just too polarizing.

Premise: the Republicans run on values.  Reality: every Democrat is now polarizing. 

3. Obama should run with Oprah. Laugh now, but that ticket would be incredible.

To whom?  Subtract the novelty factor and then what? 

4. The war in Iraq should be the focus of this election, but the Republicans have screwed it up so badly, that there is no way to get out without either looking weak and/or setting Iraq up for disaster. 

It's simple really.  Change directions.  The only antidote to insurgency is an increased quality of life for the populace. Period.  Do that.  Make that the priority and Iraq will come together on its own.

1. If Republicans do raise that objection, then Dems should point to "W"

2. I'm just saying that something about her really irks conservative Americans; She might as well be the embodyment of gay marriage and abortion.

3. Oprah has charisma and the trust of everyone that watches her show.  Subtract the novelty factor and you have a candidate with much more substance than Reagan and Arnold put together

4. How does one increase the quality of life while there are bombs and sectarian violence threatening life itself?
 

This isnt 04, and the Republicans didnt try to paint Kerry as inexperienced.  As far as Hillary, she gives the Republicans a significant rallying cause as opposed to Oprah.  8 million people is a lot of people that know and trust Oprah and doesnt count all the other people that dont watch, but still trust her.  Dont forget that she is NOT a career politician nor is she obliged to bend to special interests.

Let me get this straight.  Your solution to Iraq is to start paving roads, build schools and hand out lollipops as people are getting killed in sectarian violence.  So the Army is supposed to go out there not to kill people, but to be armed diplomats.  I think you mistake what the Army is designed to do.  How would this convince the fundamentalist savages not to continue to kill people of the opposite Islamic sect, or not to kill the Army Rangers working on constructing a new road?  How would this stop them from just blowing up all the improvements that are made?  How is the US supposed to negotiate with an enemy that will never stand for women without burkhas much less women with the right to vote?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 03:56:23 PM »
Are you guys serious about Oprah on the ticket? Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard....

Why, because she is a celebrity?  Hardly a disqualifier considering the support Republicans have for Arnie and had for Reagan.  Please explain how a nurturing, caring, thoughtful, intelligent and articulate Oprah is any worse than the other career politicians.

Because she's never had to piss anybody off before. It's easy to be popular when you have deep pockets and can give away EVERYTHING.
my question is, how is she anyworse than Reagan or Arnie?

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I know man, I've been kind of MIA for a while.  I'm just trying to get my stuff together and keep it together long enough to get a job.  Check out these classes, Con Law II, Evidence, Trial Practice and here's the kicker: Water Law.  Yes, Water Law.  Laugh now, but when that stuff dries up like the Sahara you'll be looking for someone to sue.  As for politics, you wont be sneaking in the back door because people like me are going to vote to kick in the front door for you  ;D  stay up patna

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 03:24:28 PM »
Maybe this study will add some perspective.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/13/AR2006041301776.html


Whites Take Flight on Election Day

Bad news for Michael S. Steele, the leading Maryland Republican candidate for Senate in November: The scuttling noise he hears on Election Day could be the sound of tens of thousands of white Republicans crossing over to vote for the Democrat.

In fact, white Republicans nationally are 25 percentage points more likely on average to vote for the Democratic senatorial candidate when the GOP hopeful is black, says economist Ebonya Washington of Yale University in a forthcoming article in the Quarterly Journal of Economics. White independents are similarly inclined to vote for the white Democrat when there's a black Republican running, according to her study of congressional and gubernatorial voting patterns between 1982 and 2000, including five Senate races in which the Republican nominee was black.

Her analysis suggests that GOP "white flight" in the Maryland Senate race could mean at least an additional 1 or 2 percent of the vote goes to the Democrat, and perhaps more -- but only if the candidate is white. Together, independents who would otherwise vote for a white Republican plus GOP deserters may easily swamp any increase in black Democratic crossover to Steele.

But racially motivated crossover voting is not just a Republican phenomenon. Democrats also desert their party when its candidate is black, Washington found. In House races, white Democrats are 38 percentage points less likely to vote Democratic if their candidate is black.

And don't expect turnout to surge among either blacks or whites in Maryland this November. Washington found that white and black turnout swells when the Democratic candidate for Senate is African American but is not significantly affected when the office-seeker is a black Republican.

wow. i never knew.  thanks for the info BP

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Obama Bandwagon
« on: October 24, 2006, 03:22:59 PM »
Are you guys serious about Oprah on the ticket? Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard....

Why, because she is a celebrity?  Hardly a disqualifier considering the support Republicans have for Arnie and had for Reagan.  Please explain how a nurturing, caring, thoughtful, intelligent and articulate Oprah is any worse than the other career politicians.

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