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I actually started this thread after I finished reading an article where individuals shared their debt stories. The majority of those with truly massive debt were either:

A) People who couldn't control their expenses and racked up gigantic credit card debt.

B) Law school graduates.

My post was NOT aimed at individuals who have either planned out their finances in advance, are going to state schools, have received scholarships, or already have a job lined up upon graduation. Rather, it was directed primarily at those individuals who are willing and ready to incur massive debt at T2-T3-T4 schools due to their own delusions of grandeur and the lies that many of these diploma mills feed them.
I truly believe that many private Law schools outside of the T2 are running quasi-criminal operations, duping thousands of young adults into taking on tens of thousands of dollars of debt, only to end up in a saturated field with limited job prospects.

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This is like, what, the 50st "Law school is expensive! Lower ranked schools have uncertain job prospects! You are ruining your life!" thread this cycle.

I imagine the posts will cease when people quit giving ridiculously overpriced T2 schools their money. To those who want to warn young adults who often how no idea what theya re getting into to avoid 100K+ of student debt, I say SPAM away.

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I went to college on a full athletic schlorship and will prob be at a tier 2, hopefully state. What is the difference between this and someone taking a risk going to get a undergrad degree. Im not going into law for the money.



The difference is the UG is usually a fraction of the cost. if you get a full; ride to LS, or even 2/3 tuition, by all means go. But a T2 law education for 100K+ in debt is almost always a BAD investment.

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...how much 130K in student debt is? I mean, besides the students admitted to the top half of the T14 that are virtually assured BigLaw, everyone else is making a seirous gamble if they plan on paying full tution to a Tier 2 or even bottom part of T50 school. 130K is ALOT of money to pay back, especially at 9%+ interest and you better be DAMN SURE you have a 80K+ job lined up right out of law school if you want to avoid crushing, life altering debt.

Now invariably people will respond with the usual accusations that I'm a pessimist or that I am bitter because such and such a law school denied me. But try proving to me that spending 100K+ on a law school education that may land you a 40K job after graduation, or none at all in some cases, is worth it.

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Oh Canada! / Re: Advanced Standing
« on: October 21, 2007, 05:05:13 PM »
If McGill doesn't offer your program naturally you wouldn't go there.  However, in almost any other situation you'd be foolish to go anywhere else as a visiting to Quebec.  It is hands down the best university in Quebec and this is coming from someone who didn't go there.

I don't think you'll have to send your high school transcripts to either OLSAS or LSAC.  Those grades will likely be omitted from adjusted GPA calculations.   

What if your program is Economics, Politcal Science, any fine arts major,or business? All of these areas McGill is surpassed by another Montreal school. Political science at McGill? Puh-lease. Fine arts? They dont even have a program. Business? Maybe if you want to teach after you graduate...
The only reason you SHOULD go to McGill is if you are studying hard sciences, philosophy, history, or linguistics. If not youre just asking to have your GPA deflated for no reason whatsoever.

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This is some good info. Thanks alot for taking the time to post this.

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One of the unfortunate things about going into public interest law is that, in most cases, you have to go to a slightly worse school than the best one you're admitted to.

As several people have pointed out, in order to make the enterprise feasible you need generally need some scholarship dollars. This isn't catastrophic, necessarily - it could just be a matter of choosing G-Town over Penn - but it is somewhat sad the way the system as presently constituted pulls so many people into the private sector.

Anyway, best case scenario, you get a mid-170s score on the LSAT, apply to the entire T-14, and go to a really good school with a really good scholarship.



That would be great, but I think it would be foolhardy on my part to predict a mid 170's score for the LSAT. I want to go to a good school, but more than anything I want to got o a school that will keep me out of debt (or at least curshing debt) and has professors who are well versed in human rights and international law, since those are my research interests.

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I was wondering if any of the T25 law schools give tuition breaks to graduates who choose to work in less lucrative fields such as public law or working for NGO's. If there are any such institutions, what type of numbers would I need to have a good shot at them? I have a 3.87 right now from a no-name Canadian university. I havn't taken the LSAT yet, but with a year of practice, I'm sure I could get a somewhat decent score.

They won't give tuition BREAKS at all.  As sstar said, kill the LSAT and go for some scholarships.

Also, different schools have different loan repayment programs.  Some are better than others.  In general, if you make under a certain amount, they'll forgive some of your loan repayments.  Check out how it works at various schools.

That is more what I had in mind. I heard that some schools such as Cornell and Stanford do this, though getting admitted to either of those schools is far from a slam dunk. Any diea what type of forgiveness they afford you on your loan repayments?

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I'm thinking of attending law school mainly because I find the study of legislation fascinating and also think that a law education is a very solid professional background as well as being a portable degree. That said, I know for a fact that i will never want to work in corporate law, even if some guy who looked like the Monopoly Man was waving bags of cash in my face upon graduation. It just isn't my thing. Consequently, I was wondering if any of the T25 law schools give tuition breaks to graduates who choose to work in less lucrative fields such as public law or working for NGO's. If there are any such institutions, what type of numbers would I need to have a good shot at them? I have a 3.87 right now from a no-name Canadian university. I havn't taken the LSAT yet, but with a year of practice, I'm sure I could get a somewhat decent score.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DMFqmjFr6I

A Mercedes Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series.  It'll run me about $140,000, which I'll use from what I saved on law school by choosing the scholarship and not being another sucker willing to shell out $40,000 a year to learn the same material. 

Fantastic logic! With all that money you saved by not going to law school, you can now waste it on a whip you don't need and can't afford! YES!

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