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General Board / Re: TTT
« on: April 10, 2008, 05:03:53 PM »
Hmm, I was talking from first hand experience, but the big difference may be that (the few) writing/social science classes I had as an engineer were huge grade boosters for me. Law school to me is a combination of my easiest classes and an easier curve. If someone has trouble with writing/reading, law school can certainly be tough.

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General Board / Re: TTT
« on: April 10, 2008, 02:44:06 PM »
GL with getting into IP OP. It is tough to get into, but very rewarding. If you do manage to make your way in, people will care much more about you actually being a patent attorney rather than where you went to school. You will get lumped in with all the other BS/BA life science majors though, so it is going to be on the harder than it is for some technical majors.

As to the thread topic, I believe if schools took into account the GPA curves for the degrees from each undergrad institution, we would have a much more accurate distribution of students in the lower tiers. Since we don't though, many intelligent students who had much more difficult undergrad curves started out in the lower tier schools, where the curves are actually easier than their undergrad, and do very well there, pretty much most of the time. Law school compared to some undergrad degrees is incredibly easy.

Of course, this just goes to show how it is very difficult for someone who hasn't got something going for them from undergrad or the LSAT, is going to have a very hard time doing very well at all in a lower tier school.

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General Board / Re: TTT
« on: April 07, 2008, 06:45:22 PM »
There is a little bit more to how much you will make coming out than just the law school you go to and your class rank. It also comes down to how much (useful) work experience you picked up and what type of law you are going into. Some types of work experience are much better than others (law firm job/federal court clerkship vs. teacher assistant/Westlaw rep). Also, some types of law are much more difficult to get into and as such, pay better than others (IP (100k+) vs. PD (40k max)).

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: I don't type quickly...am I screwed??
« on: April 05, 2008, 01:51:28 PM »
If you can write by hand fairly well you should be fine.

If you are slow both ways...yea it is going to be difficult.

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General Board / Re: Cost of Law School
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:37:18 PM »
Not really many good scholarships, over 90% of the aid most law students get is either merit or low-interest loans (some people are stupid enough to pick the high interest private loans).

Your choices are:

1) Go to the higher ranked school because it is either a nation school (T-25 or so) or the lower ranked one is not in the  part of the country you would be happy practicing

2) Go to the lower ranked school because it is in the area of the country you want to work, and the higher ranked one really isn't

3) Don't go to law school, especially if you are not confident you cannot at least do fairly well in law school. The cost situation has gone well beyond law school being a worthwhile way to "enrich yourself." Law school is ridiculously expensive, yet people run towards it like lemmings who don't really know if it is the right thing for them.

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Transferring / Re: taking transfer questions
« on: April 02, 2008, 02:33:38 AM »
Yup, about top 20-25% should be good enough, top 1/3 would be pretty difficult.

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1L job search / Re: 1L Summer job process
« on: April 01, 2008, 01:12:38 PM »
Also, while many firms have diversity programs and because of that minority students may have a higher chance of landing firm jobs, I definitely wouldn't say that 1L summer associates are "generally minority students."  Some schools have over 50% placement with market-paying firms; most of them are not minority. 


1L BIGLAW summer associates are usually either:

1) From HYS
2) Minorities
3) Have a connection
4) Technical IP/Patent folks
5) Super-students.

This is sort of right, except for category 1, if you look at the vault rankings (which are really only good for what schools biglaw pulls from) you will see HYS is not actually where the highest number of students get pulled from, for example, Yale is 14th. On the other hand HYS offers a wider range of oppurtunities beyond just 1L biglaw, like, for example, the White House  :P. But that one takes, 1, a LOT of 3 and maybe some 2.

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Lookup your school here:

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/search/page+5

Click on the name, the free information on there includes the CoL estimate of the school.

I highly doubt their estimate will be lower than yours, mine calculated an above average rent/above average food budget/health insurance/transportation/way above average books cost and even discretional spending.

I tend to use about 60% of what they budget.

The biggest things you can do to shave costs is put some serious research into where you rent, buy your books used for 60-90% less online and then resell them for as much as you bought them (though if the edition changes that term, you're screwed for reselling), get a cheap internet plan (no TV and use a cell phone with limited minutes), drive only if you have too (it is sometimes costs less paying a bit higher rent to be closer if you don't have to drive), buy most of your food on sale and finally, don't buy stupid crap and go out to eat often. Get a comfortable chair if you plan on studying at your place.

Oh yea, find a high interest savings account to place your cost of living expenses so that the accruing interest on the loans won't be any worse than than it has to be.

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1L job search / Re: funding sources for unpaid summer?
« on: March 28, 2008, 06:33:07 PM »
5% is a gigantic origination fee.

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General Board / Re: Legal Writing Horror Stories
« on: March 27, 2008, 03:58:26 AM »
All I can say is, thank Fing god that damn appellate brief is done. I literally did not sleep the night before it was due.

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