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Choosing the Right Law School / Job Prospects...
« on: April 27, 2007, 03:14:24 PM »
I have decided to go to Seton Hall this fall.  I am reading all these negative posts about what my job propects are going to be...I do have some biglaw connections as I have been a legal assistant at a vault top 25 firm for the past two years...but tbo my firm is not going to hire me if I am not top 15% out of SH....although I will strive to be top 15%, suppose I am top 30 or 40%....am I SOL??  Will I be one of the gimps blogging about how my life sucks as a temp doc review attorney for 45k?  I am going to SH and striving for top of class (like everyone else) in the hopes of a transfer to a Fordham/GW/CLS...but if that doesn't happen...what will happen? Advice (particulary with supporting evidence) is appreciated!!

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NY... way better for IP and Ent Law than philly.

In that case, I would say Newark has an edge over Camden

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I am deferring a year, but want to have a school in reserve so that I know I am going no matter what. I want to do entertainment and intellectual property law.

If you consider rank, location, program, job opportunities etc.... which would you choose?

Pretty equal....Where would you rather work...NYC or Philly?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: St. John's
« on: April 27, 2007, 01:45:23 PM »
I applied this week...any chance of getting in?  median numbers...2 yrs work experience as a legal assist in biglaw....not a big deal either way...just doing it as another potential option....what do you guys think?

This week? When was the deadline?

rolling admissions....priority deadline was april 1....

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: St. John's
« on: April 27, 2007, 09:45:06 AM »
I have a theory: they look through FT people, either they accept reject or waitlist then if you are waitlisted you can go to PT program, so they fill up the PT seats and then the remainder of PT seats are given to the PT apps who have the best grades then those PT apps that aren't good enough get waitlisted.  so in essense a PT person is getting waitlisted because his seat is taken by a FT app who either was waitslisted or who was rejected for the FT program and is allowed to sit in on the PT program. thats just my 2cents.

I applied this week...any chance of getting in?  median numbers...2 yrs work experience as a legal assist in biglaw....not a big deal either way...just doing it as another potential option....what do you guys think?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: PSU Dickenson vs Seton Hall ???
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:12:33 PM »

It may be bleak, but you've got to know the worst that can happen.  I work in the Philadelphia market, and there doesn't seem to be much middle ground (80-110k) as far as pay, outside of ID/doc review. 

The breakdown is something like this:

Small firm/Entry level gov't:  40-60k (most people)
Midsize Insurance defense/Doc review: 60-80k
Large firm: 135k (a select few)

If you are good at making connections (or have good connections), can schmooze with the influential, and make a good impression, the usual rules might not apply to you.
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I hope so...I have worked at a biglaw firm as a legal assistant for the past 2 yrs...I have alot of connects with many associates and a few partners but to be honest there is no way they are going to hire anyone out of a t2 that isn't in the top 20%...I have been on LSD reading all this negativity re T2s and job prospects and all it does is add to the stress of the entire process....

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: PSU Dickenson vs Seton Hall ???
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:48:56 PM »


Bluntly put, Both schools are extremely poor choices if you want to practice on the west coast later.  I recommend you wait for your fiance to finish her graduate degree, figure out where you want to move, and go to a law school near your new location.

I'll address each of your concerns:

(1) Transferring - You'll probably need to be in the top 10% of your class to transfer to a more prestigious school, and at least top third to transfer to a school of similar prestige.  That means there is a significant chance that you won't be able to transfer after 1L year.  I strongly discourage people from going to a school with the hope of transferring out, because the odds are usually overwhelmingly against them.

(2) Large firm in Big City - Only the top 10% + law review even have a shot at this.  Realistically, you'll need to be in the top 5% + law review to have a good chance at working BIGLAW out of SHU or DSL. 

(3) Reputation - Both schools have mediocre reputations.  DSL does a bit better because it is the big fish in central PA, while SHU is near NYC and many more prestigious schools.  Neither school will have much, if any, recognition on the West Coast.

I consider both law schools to be severely overpriced for the job opportunities their degrees will offer.  Save yourself the $ and DON'T GO.  Wait until you actually know where you want to settle down before going to school, unless you can get into a school with national reach.
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You paint a pretty bleak picture....I am planning on going to Seton Hall...I know it is expensive for its rank (T2-70) but it is the best school I got in in the NYC area and that is where I want to live...it has a positive rep in the area and it is only getting better..Do you think that I will be stick doing BS doc review or a sh*tty NJ clerk job for 40G after I graduate if I am not in the top 10%....no chance of getting a decent job paying 80-110K range in NJ if I am top 30 or 40%?


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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How late is too late
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:58:40 AM »
yeah its probably too late at most schools ... but I think Akron and MSU have sent me emails in the past few weeks indicating that they are still taking apps ... but remember that the june LSAT score won't be in your file until the end of the month.  July is too late.  Have a good next cycle.

I am not waiting another cycle...I am going to attend Seton Hall I guess...I am just kicking myself in the ass for not retaking the LSAT in Feb...oh well...

Thanks for the input.

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Choosing the Right Law School / How late is too late
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:51:20 AM »
Has anyone heard of anyone using June LSAT scores to apply to a school they havent previously applied to and gotten in??

Would a school even look at your application if you sent it in so late?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Question about $$
« on: April 25, 2007, 02:17:55 PM »
I know someone that was top of her class at St. John's (literally #2 or #3) and they refused to give her money

wow....did she transfer?

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