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All right, I don't feel so bad then.;)  My problem is that, frankly, I wish I could go to both schools.  Penn was always been my realistic "goal" since before the LSAT.  A close family member is at Penn, and that is a big personal draw for me that has nothing to do with the school itself.  All along, I've heard wonderful things about Penn's environment and bad things about CLS's.  Plus, I was intimidated by New York and I actually like Philly quite a bit.  But, I was very impressed by CLS's ASW, moreso than UPenn.  The students seemed happy (maybe you could comment on your impressions-- socially-- of CLS, Resident CLS troll, because that's something that's very important to me...I want to have a good three years and am not in this purely for my future job prospects) and I got a certain vibe of energy at CLS that I just didn't get at Penn.  (Again, do you think that would be a fair assessment?)  I realized that Penn's small class size and focus on being collegial and friendly might be a bit to claustrophobic for me, although, don't get me wrong, I want to go to a place with those characteristics.

Overall, I liked both schools, a lot, and without definitive notion of what I'd like to do (besides not wanting to go into PI and not necessarily wanting to go into BIGLAW), it's a tough decision.

Okay, let me ramble for a bit and we'll see if you find anything useful.

First, let's get the whole law firm question out of the way.  I think we win in this department in terms of placement, and there's not a whole lot of debate about that as far as I know.  Having said that, once you're at a place like CLS or Penn, what firm options are open to you depends more on how you do in the school than which school you're attending.  Being in New York makes life a bit easier come 2L fall I believe, but how much that's worth, I'm not really sure.

Again, I don't know why people keep trashing our environment.  Actually, I do know why: it's because we're the foil to NYU, the "hip, fun, cool" school downtown.  Fine, maybe they're Mac and we're PC, but that doesn't mean that people here are cutthroat gunners or whatever it is they say about us.  I've never found the environment here to be anything less than collegial, and there are a lot of people that I've met here that I like a lot.  Are there gunners?  Yes.  This is law school.  They exist at Penn as well.  But they're definitely not indicative of the general environment.  Now I can't speak for Penn (they waitlisted me, the bastards); I've heard that it's a friendly place.  So are we.  People are happy here as far as I can see. 

As for energy, I think that's partly attributable to just feeding off of being in New York.  There's always something going on, and pretty much everyone can find something that they're excited about.  I forgot about the class size thing.  Being at a bigger school does provide more resources.  Some people prefer smaller programs, so that might not be true for you, but it's something to consider.

Okay, I need to stop rambling for a bit.  Hopefully something here gives you food for thought.

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Bump. So, just as I was kind of settled on Penn, CLS gives me a 35 k "moral obligation" (to pay back) scholarship.  This certainly changes things.  Anyone want to tell me why I should go to CLS?  :D

Well it depends on what you want to do with your degree, of course. 

Yeah, that.  The honest answer is that I really don't know at this point.  But anyway, I'll stop hijacking this thread for now!

This isn't a hijack at all.  This thread is for the discussion of all things Columbia, after all.  I remember when demingh hung out in the CLS09 thread when she was still choosing between us and Penn.

It's kind of tough to differentiate the top schools from each other past a certain point.  Can't argue that Penn's a great school, though I'll still give them crap about not being really as good as Chicago.  Maybe you could tell us what you found most appealing about them.  That might help you think through your decision as well.

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Bump. So, just as I was kind of settled on Penn, CLS gives me a 35 k "moral obligation" (to pay back) scholarship.  This certainly changes things.  Anyone want to tell me why I should go to CLS?  :D

Well it depends on what you want to do with your degree, of course. 

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He says, (and of course this is GENERALLY speaking), Columbia consists of those type of people who really feel validated by the notion of going to an Ivy league school, by having the Columbia name of course. 

It's a good thing that you put in the "GENERALLY", otherwise I would have been rather offended.  ;)



Haha thus the disclaimer...can't take offense to something like that when you know it's true. 

GENERALLY speaking, the people I've met in my apt. building going to Columbia are not the coolest.  GENERALLY speaking as well though, people who live on the upper west side are extremely rich snobs (yet I live on the uws and don't like to put myself in this category  ;)

Actually, I've found it to be untrue in general.  Maybe my friends are not a representative cross section, but I don't think they so much wanted the name as they just felt more comfortable here than they did at NYU.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Columbia 3/28-3/29 ASW Run Down
« on: April 09, 2007, 09:53:16 PM »
for couples 1br-

request 420 w. 116th and take a smaller more expensive apartment closer to the law school?  or try for UAH and take my chances?

(granted, you might not know the answer to this question and i may have already asked you).

You have, and I stand by my closer but smaller recommendation.

Are you definitely coming to CLS?  What did you decide about the Cornell money?

sorry to ask multiple times, i have a thesis due next week and barely remember where i am at the moment.  i would say i am most certainly going to cls.  i turned down cornell already, but i got a bit of money from nyu and chicago, and id feel better about life if columbia comes back with a little (still waiting for their offer).  even if they dont, ill probably go.

no need to apologize.  :)

and i do hope our school offers you a nice chunk of change. 

got my columbia offer, it was more than i expected, so im definitely headed there.  see you next year!

Awesome.  I'll be around to answer questions. 

Yeah I switched to a different account for no good reason.

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He says, (and of course this is GENERALLY speaking), Columbia consists of those type of people who really feel validated by the notion of going to an Ivy league school, by having the Columbia name of course. 

It's a good thing that you put in the "GENERALLY", otherwise I would have been rather offended.  ;)

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1) So, I'm pretty sure I want to go into international law.  Apparently NYU is ranked first and Columbia second by USNews... does this really mean anything?  Is NYU's department significantly better than CLS's?  Also, are these departments more focused on business law, trade law, human rights?

2) I have actually really disliked NYC during my few short visits, but for various reasons (barring a miracle from His Eminence Toby Stock) have firmly narrowed it down to these two NYC schools.  Friends are pushing me strongly to pick NYU over CLS based on location alone, and I keep reading about the perks of NYU's location.  My question is stupid: why?  I've never been to the Village.  Can anyone give me details on CLS's location, which I've heard described as "terrible"?  Can someone describe living in these two areas?

3)  Can anyone give a decent estimate of how much higher the costs of living are at NYU as opposed to CLS?

4) My parents are pushing Columbia for "prestige"... this does mean something to me because they are helping a LOT with paying for school and I feel some obligation. But what the hell does prestige really mean, in a practical sense?

5) If I were to suddenly decide against international law, which school is better "all around" in many areas? Is the difference significant? I know this is vague... I don't know how else to put it.

6) I've read much about the congenitality of NYU's student body... is CLS's student body really that stale and cutthroat?  Since I can't visit during the ASW's, I'd love to hear about general impressions of student life, happiness, etc, especially as concerns CLS.  (Again.. sorry about my vagueness.)

This was longer than I'd thought.  I'd really love any help I can get!  I haven't even seen my accepted student materials so I'm really in the dark... sorry for asking some probably pretty idiotic questions.  Now, bedtime.

Me last year: Debated CLS v. NYU, chose CLS.  So...

1. I don't know how much those rankings mean, because "international law" can entail a whole lot of things.  My impression is that they have a heavier emphasis on human rights, etc. while we have more emphasis on trade and business, as well as comparative law.  We do have a lot of faculty who are experts in Asian legal systems, so if that's something that interests you, we edge them out.

2. NYU's location is great if you like going out to party at 2am.  People don't do that a whole lot in law school though.  They have great restaurants and a better party scene down there.  It's generally thought of as a "hip" place to be.  Where we are, Morningside Heights, has much more of a neighborhood feel.  We catch flak about our location because we border Harlem. 

3. I agree with MCB's 10k estimate.  Housing's a lot more expensive down there.

4. Prestige, in a practical sense, means that when you talk to people who are unfamiliar with the legal field, they will say, "You go to Columbia?  Wow, Ivy League!" v. "NYU.  That's nice."  That's a little exaggerated obviously, but there's the gist of it.  In the legal community, both schools are well respected and people know that they're pretty comparable, so no real effect either way there.

5. They're both pretty solid, though in slightly different areas.  Any idea what you would do as Plan B?  For example, we've got them beat in IP I believe, while they win on legal philosophy (which they can have as far as I'm concerned).

6. Again, NYU gets points because they have this soft and fuzzy image because they're down in the Village.  We end up being cast as the foil.  I personally don't think that people here are unfriendly or cutthroat in the least.  I can't think of a time when I've found the atmosphere here to be anything less than congenial.

Those are my responses.  Feel free to ask any follow-ups and I'll try to get you answers.

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