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3L job search / Re: firstlawjob.com a godsend or a gimmick
« on: March 26, 2009, 07:04:38 PM »
the trouble for YLS students in biglaw is that oftentimes the firms assume that they just want to work for a year, go get a clerkship, and go off to academia. With secondary markets I would worry about the perception that this is not a job that the applicant reqlly wants. That's the thing that a YLS student most has to overcome.

That's why I suggested a politically connected firm: they have something to offer that the YLS student might really want.

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The top ranking firm that I know of anybody ever getting a 1L job at, who was not a URM, was Weil. That was when the economy was good.

I know of non-URM's who got hired at Cravath their 1L summers.  But yeah, that was during boomtime.

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Trying to get me to say what firm I am at?

No, just wanted to know if the rumors were true or not.

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Some client contact - typically junior associates at investment banks if anything, though. I have been busy off and on, not too worried about losing my job. Most of my day is research or doc review. Normal busy days are 8-9, 11-12 is not unheard of.

Is it true that people at your firm have to check in with the secretary when you leave the office?

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General Board / Re: Not Using Outlines for these Finals. Prestigious?
« on: March 26, 2009, 12:11:32 PM »
Oh, of course.  Conventional wisdom is fine with things like practice exams.  That definitely works.  I don't understand the people who are like, "Yeah, those are a waste of time.  I don't learn anything from them."

I think outlines were created for people with average to below average memories.  I don't understand why people don't naturally associate, say, mitigation with Parker, Carol Dix, and Luten Bridge, and some of the policy associated with it (moral hazard).  This also allows you to write faster exams.  I've never had time issues.  I always have (at least) five minutes to check things.

I always thought of outlines as things you use in combination with practice exams.  You look over them afterward to see if you missed anything significant.

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General Board / Re: Not Using Outlines for these Finals. Prestigious?
« on: March 26, 2009, 12:01:06 PM »
The first doesn't apply to because I don't learn that way.  I hate learning that way.

How exactly do you learn then?

I learn mostly by listening (that's listening, not writing down) in class and skimming the cases/old outlines from kids on LR.  Toward the end, I re-read all of the cases and copy down the doctrine.  Then I memorize it so I can spit it back really quickly.  I take a few practice exams to get in the hang of applying the doctrine, and spend some time recalling the policy discussed in class, and then I go into the exam.

I hate outlining because I feel like I either miss things, or I'm jotting down things that are too obvious.

You have to do what works for you I guess.  Just make sure you're doing it because it works better, not because you hate doing what the CW tells you to do.

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General Board / Re: Not Using Outlines for these Finals. Prestigious?
« on: March 26, 2009, 11:52:14 AM »
The first doesn't apply to because I don't learn that way.  I hate learning that way.

How exactly do you learn then?

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General Board / Re: Not Using Outlines for these Finals. Prestigious?
« on: March 26, 2009, 11:41:12 AM »
Tag for bumping after fall OCI.

Why?  Do you think this is a bad idea?

Conventional wisdom in law school f-ing blows.  They tell you to brief cases -- the biggest waste of time, ever, and misleading about what law school teaches you -- they discuss policy in class knowing full well the exam will be a timed issue spotter, and they give you compliments about your sweater when they don't really mean it.

It may or may not work.  Personally, I think it's a bad idea. 

As for CW: Briefing cases is a waste of time, but only after you've figured out how to look at cases and figure out what's important and what's not.  Even issue spotters have room for a line or two on what the policy is behind particular doctrine.  How much weight you give it should depend on what your prof wants (and you should find this out in advance; I had one 1L class where the second of two questions was literally all policy discussion).  And as for your sweater, you should know by now that when they compliment you, they're being sarcastic.

You know what the purpose of outlining is, right?

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General Board / Re: Not Using Outlines for these Finals. Prestigious?
« on: March 26, 2009, 11:24:45 AM »
Tag for bumping after fall OCI.

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Speaking only for myself, I'm all in favor of sugar-coating things.  A sugar-coated pill is still medicine, after all.  Now if you're just giving out candy and pretending it's medicine, then there's a problem.

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