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Hi,   I have been accepted to St. John's law and Brooklyn Law school full time programs so far.. still waiting to hear back from a few more schools..  I am trying to decide between these two schools. I am not too familiar with Queens or Brooklyn..  Does anyone have any opinions on deciding between the two??  any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I'd say Brooklyn over SJU.  BLS is actually slightly better regarded than SJU from what I can tell, so they'd win even if it was even money.

Subject says it all. I was given $23k from Hofstra, $16k from Pace and nada from NYLS. I'm leaning towards Hofstra. Which should I choose?


Is that $23k/year or total by the way?  The answer doesn't affect my response.  Just curious.

Job Search / Re: Bummed out
« on: March 29, 2009, 06:53:58 AM »
Of course, no one can argue that students should try to be "more proactive and resourceful."  However, I do think that in certain circles (and within our career services office), there has been a blame-the-victim mentality that has led to my unemployed friends being treated poorly.  Some people have assumed that because they don't have jobs, they must have been snotty and only applied to V-100 firms.

I assure you, I have friends who have networked, followed up, practiced interviewing until they're blue in the face--and they still don't have jobs.  They have applied for EVERYTHING--small firms, public interest, government, non-legal... and there's nothing out there for people without experience.  As our economy continues to shed jobs, it just gets worse and worse.

I also agree it would be nice to have a backup plan, but it's hard enough to get ONE job at the moment!

I think the truth of the matter is that we got lulled into a false sense of security.

And there are actually people out there who say that being proactive and resourceful is a waste of time at our schools.  I think it's weird but it happens.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northwestern vs Penn vs NYU
« on: March 29, 2009, 06:49:10 AM »
Penn wouldn't give a poo about NU (not NW) offer.  It is not considered to be a peer school.  What do you want to do after law school?

I'd say they're peer schools.  That said, I agree that they're unlikely to bump their offer based on NU.

Current Law Students / Re: BIGLAW's influence on the legal community
« on: March 28, 2009, 08:33:54 PM »
Name your negatives.

Current Law Students / Re: Law firm vs. in-house
« on: March 28, 2009, 10:17:33 AM »
Just as each law firm is unique...

This made me laugh.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northwestern vs Penn vs NYU
« on: March 28, 2009, 10:15:59 AM »
Northwestern full ride vs. Penn 60k (no need-based aid awarded whatsoever)  vs NYU 37.5k (no need-based aid either)

Which one and why?

It's an uncertain age.  First years with Harvard degrees are getting laid off at Vault 10 law firms.  Keeping debt low is more important than ever.  Go to Northwestern.  Prospects are admittedly not as good as Penn or NYU, but a full ride is worth it in my opinion.

It comes down to how much money is a consideration.

Also if you haven't already, try getting money out of CLS.


So I've been pretty lucky this cycle, and have been admitted to a number of great law schools. My numbers, for reference are 3.60s/175. I was accepted at GULC, Penn, Michigan, Duke, UVA, GW, Columbia, NYU, BU, and BC. I did my undergrad in Washington, DC, but am originally from Massachusetts. I would like to live and practice in Boston, as my entire family is situated in the northeast. I'm very torn at this point about where to attend law school. I know the conventional wisdom is to either attend the highest ranked school you get into (especially if it's a national t-10) or, all the schools are comparably ranked, the regional school where you want to practice. I have basically narrowed my decision to Columbia and BC. I know their rankings are pretty disparate, but would I really be crazy to turn down Columbia in favor of BC (which, is giving me $20k/yr in scholarship)? Any thoughts/opinions you have would be very much appreciated - please just be respectful.  :)

Obviously I've got a horse in this race.  That said, I think that CLS v. BC at $20k/yr should be CLS, no contest.  If you said Michigan, Penn, UVA or NYU at $20k/yr it would be different, but that amount of scholarship probably does not cover the spread in post-graduation opportunities between CLS and BC.  I don't agree with the conventional wisdom in all cases and sometimes it does make sense to take the money at a lower-ranked school.  This does not appear to be one of those cases, however.  It would be closer if you said CLS v. BC full-ride.

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: U.S. News may go under
« on: March 26, 2009, 04:07:02 PM »
Be careful in assessment of Law Schools as well.  Many schools like UDC had a much higher bar passage rate (90%) last year compared with more elite institutions like Georgetown right down the road.


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