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I didn't get into Harvard, but I chose Boalt over some of those other East Coast schools (Columbia et al.) for a lot of the reasons you mentioned (family, friends, significant other all in the Bay Area, already lived here and liked it, etc.), so that's where I'm coming from. The opportunities at Harvard certainly outweigh those at Boalt, perhaps significantly if you're shooting for ultra-competitive things. No question about that. That said, it depends on what you want out of your career. You will have stellar opportunities coming out of both, especially if you figure out what you want and push to make it happen.


I would think that generally, the schools where there is not an enormous disparity between the opportunities for people at the middle/bottom and for people at the top would be the least miserable.

I can't believe I've never seen this thread before.

It's pretty funny.

Current Law Students / Re: BIGLAW's influence on the legal community
« on: April 01, 2009, 06:04:30 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I have a question. What are the ways in which you think large firms influence the legal community? I have some very negative answers to this question but I'm looking to find some positives maybe. Please share your thoughts whether it be negative or positive influences you can think of.


I think it has an impact on law students because they tend to think thatís the only thing out there so they donít spend as much time understanding the real legal market beyond the small niche of biglaw. Its not the only thing out there, nor is it where most will work, but it dominates the conversations, even in some of the legal trade magazines, even though 80% of lawyers work in firm of 50 people or less.

 The ABA had a problem with this a few years ago when they lost a lot of members because they targeted biglaw so much in their coverage and focus, so they specifically added a small and medium section to their magazine and have been producing a lot more content aimed at those lawyers trying to get them to join back up since they make up the majority of lawyers and their membership was going down each year.

So it feeds misconceptions about lawyers?  I'll buy that.

Job Search / Re: 2L seeking some advice on life after law school
« on: April 01, 2009, 06:03:05 AM »
Thank for the advice. You're right, in this economic climate, anyone from any school should feel fortunate to have a job. I'm going to hold onto the position I have for now. Additionally, I plan to look into FL and DC firms this summer to see what my options might be. Unfortunately, I checked out the dates for the NY and FL bar- they are on the same dates , so I cant take them at the same time. You confirmed by suspicions that it will likely be difficult to crack the DC market this year.

Hmmm.  That's lousy.  Sorry to hear.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northwestern vs Penn vs NYU
« on: April 01, 2009, 06:01:43 AM »
Penn wouldn't give a poo about NU (not NW) offer.  It is not considered to be a peer school.  What do you want to do after law school?

Wait, but NU and Cornell are peer schools and a friend of mine has Penn match money from Cornell. Also, I don't think NU is one of those schools that throw money at students necessarily. I think they could be considered peers, actually - at least for scholarship purposes. I think there are two tiers of peers within the T-14 HYSCCN and BPMVDCNG

I don't think it's so much a two-tier system as it is a sliding scale.  Did Penn match your friend dollar for dollar?  Was it this year?  Schools are much more cash-strapped this year from what I understand.  And I think even last year, they would have offered something but not necessarily a full match.

That having been said, never hurts to ask.

I think that YLS gives you a monumental advantage in terms of going into legal academia or the judiciary.  If that's what you want to do and nothing short of that will suffice, then paying the extra $100k might make sense.  If you just want to be a practitioner, I can't imagine why you'd pay an extra $100k for YLS.  Maybe there's something I'm forgetting.

sounds like the Hamilton is pretty well up your alley.

I like you.

Job Search / Re: 2L seeking some advice on life after law school
« on: March 31, 2009, 08:35:52 AM »
So I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're either at CLS or NYU, though it doesn't make that much of a difference, honestly.

My advice is to go with option two.  Option one doesn't really work because it will probably be incredibly difficult to get a job in DC given the current economic climate.  DC is a tough market to crack even under good conditions.  Option three will probably entail too great a drop-off in terms of your own career opportunities.

At this point, I think you (and all of us) need to adopt a defensive strategy.  You have a job in NY; hold onto it.  Live frugally, maybe somewhere outside of Manhattan.  Grit your teeth for a year or so.

In terms of the bar, I suggest that you find out how different the FL bar exam is from the NY bar exam.  You might be able to take both the summer after you graduate, which would make things easier for you down the road.

thanks...  i actually received a full tuition scholarship at st. john's and a little over half at Brooklyn..    any other opinions?

Oops, I just saw "full tuition".  I'd go with SJU in that case.  Conditions with scholarships?

$23k a year with a 3.25 GPA requirement.

Is it all or nothing or sliding scale?  Find out what the curve looks like in advance.

That said, my response doesn't change.

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