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I think the T14 is going to be just out of reach. However, I think you have a VERY DECENT shot at some solid schools outside of that group.

Yes, you will go to law school. And yes, you might even go to a top 25 school if you put some thought into your addendum. Congrats!

Where are you located? Are you interested in any particular region?

Interesting predicament.

You've certainly got some great stats to get into some solid law programs across the country. A tough decision to turn down opportunities like that...I don't think I'd be able to do that. I do think most people on here will call you crazy for going on ULV, but I think what most people don't realize is that when people grow up, get married, work at a stable company, and have kids, your priorities change. Your family becomes the most important thing to you, and that's fine. It's quite an admirable thing, really.

I think the most important thing about your situation is what you want to do after graduation. You indicated that you work for the County, and you want to continue working for the county after graduation. Is this correct? If so, this is key. A ULV degree may not have much reach outside the area, but if you are staying in the immediate area, and literally have a job waiting for you, I think it makes 100% sense to go to ULV. It's a full scholarship, for heavens sake. Your analysis on how long it'll take to pay off the loan you'll take out by going to a more competitive school is correct.

In regards to the full scholarship, definitely find out for sure what the minimum GPA / class rank requirements are. I think when you find this out you'll know for sure which decision to make.

Personally, given your situation, I say go for it.

Keep us posted, and good luck with your decision!

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Howard Law School?
« on: July 09, 2008, 04:50:34 PM »
Your employment prospects at Howard won't be as good because you are not African American.Big law firms recruit at the top of the class at Howard for diversity. If you're choices are between Howard and New York Law I would say neither. The economy is bad and legal market is saturated with lawyers. Going to either of these law schools is very risky. 

This serves as a perfect example of how many people on these forums have no idea what they are talking about.

really?  that sounds spot on to me, assuming you're looking to work in a big firm of course.

This might be shocking news to you...but most people don't end up working for biglaw...

Crazy, right?

Anyways, I think the OP asked an interesting question. I think you'll get a more accurate response in the Black Law Student section.

What type of law do you want to practice? Where do you want to live?

As of now I am thinking that I want to study international law, but that is more a guess.  Both schools have international law programs.  As of now I do not really have a major preference on where I want to live.  I have visited St. Louis twice and really like it and am visiting Denver this weekend.  I guess there is more to offer in Denver but I am not sure. 

You are right, both of those schools have decent international law programs. Not top 10, but close. St. Louis has a gorgeous old-school building, but Denver recently moved into a brand-new facility, as Matthies just described. Other than that, both schools are similar. St. Louis is probably a little more competitive, academically speaking. It also seems to have slightly better employment stats, a lower student to teacher ratio, a bigger library. But the difference is really not that substantial. Plus, Denver might be expensive, but it's definitely a few thousand cheaper than St. Louis. I think it's interesting to note that, according to LSAC, nearly 80% of Denver grads end up working in Colorado, whereas only 26% of St. Louis grads stay in their state. If that isn't an error, I think that's something you should consider. However, grads in were employed in roughly the same number of states from both schools (30 states for Denver, 32 for St. Louis). But it seems like St. Louis places more people abroad (Denver sent 1 abroad, St. Louis sent 5).

If it was my decision, I probably would go to St. Louis. However, the difference is not that great. Denver is a great place to study international law. And if you have family in Denver and you like Denver, well, you should definitely go to Denver.

Good luck!

What type of law do you want to practice? Where do you want to live?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: new england school of law
« on: July 09, 2008, 08:03:59 AM »
does anybody have info. on new england school of law... where they place ect. is it mainly a regional school?

Just a heads won't find too much favorable stuff about NESL on here.

But anyways, it is a T4 school in go figure. You'll get whatever is left after the Ivy schools/BU/BC/Suffolk kids. It's also quite an expensive school despite being a T4 school. Still, it's in a great location, and whereas it's gonna be tough to compete for the top Boston jobs with a NESL degree, if you're willing to settle for less, you might want to consider it. Personally, I would consider the possibility of going there if they offered some good scholarship money. I don't think I would pay full price, though.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Why are you going to law school?
« on: July 08, 2008, 05:44:27 PM »
I'm going to law school because six years ago, as I finished my undergraduate degree, I had a job where I regularly interacted with mostly undocumented immigrants from Mexico. Eventually, I fell in love with one of them and got married. Thus began our three-year odd odyssey into the U.S. immigration system. When it was over (thank god it's over!) I had a lingering interest in immigration law that wouldn't go away. I become an almost obsessive-compulsive poster on an immigration support and advice forum and a lot of people suggested I go to law school. I have a good job but no real career path, and realized that law would let me do so many things I love for a living - work with immigrants, write, argue, help people, etc. Yes, I am wildly idealistic but I have since met half a dozen people who combine all these things and make a good living doing it. I am confident I can do it too.

So last fall I talked to a friend of a friend who had just started law school (I didn't know a single lawyer or law student personally at that time) about what I needed to do if I wanted to go in 2008. He basically said: You're going to have to work hard, but it's do-able. He advised me on LSAC, LSAT prep and the application process. I worked hard, scored fairly well, wrote a fabulous personal statement and got into the school I wanted.

Things fell into place.

Ooh, very cool. I have very similar reasons for going to school! Please check your e-mail.  :)

Current Law Students / Re: Interview as 3L after Rejection as 2L
« on: July 08, 2008, 09:37:16 AM »
Persistence pays off. Do it. I might even consider putting in somewhere that you applied previously, but that you are trying again because you are 100% confident that this is the firm for you. Some may appreciate the tenacity, some may not. You'll never find out if you don't.

Law School Admissions / Re: 3.2/163 URM T6 Chances? I think so...
« on: July 08, 2008, 09:30:43 AM »
I know a lot of black males sitting in great law schools right now with decent GPAs and 150s/low 160s.  Not every one of the 450+ entering Harvard 1Ls are medium kids..

We can talk about freak, outlier, improbable cases all day long. I can give you a list of a few lawyers at NLJ 250 firms who graduated from Cooley. I can tell you about kids with <2.5 GPAs cracking the T14. Forest for the trees. You're missing the point.

Law School Admissions / Re: 3.2/163 URM T6 Chances? I think so...
« on: July 08, 2008, 07:09:28 AM »
Unless you've been researching a cure for AIDS for the last 10 years, a 162 and a 3.3 GPA isn't going to get you into any T6 school. It doesn't matter what skin color you are. Period.

As a side note, you seem to think very highly of yourself. Hopefully you will soon realize that giving off a mildly arrogant vibe doesn't get you too far. Good luck in life.

If you say so.  Those #s got a certain Asian/Black into enough T6's.  Reread your post then talk to me about arrogance.  Get real, Dude.  If you and ThaTrev feel as if you are all knowing law school admissions experts, that's on you.  Just don't let your insecurities show too much.  If someone with lesser numbers can get T6 acceptance letters and money, then the OP can too.  But who cares.  This site doesn't exist to make people feel better about themselves.  Again good luck this cycle. 

Ah ok. So let's break this down. Of the 6,928 applications sent to Harvard last year, 817 were accepted. That's a measly 11%. These people had a median LSAT of 173 and a median GPA of 3.8. Our friend had a 162 and a 3.3. Sure, you can give me a few freak cases of people with his stats gaining acceptance, but chances are these people did some great things in their lives. The OP hasn't given any indication of doing anything special. It's perfectly reasonable to say that, chances are, he won't get in. Period. If that hurts your feelings, then perhaps you should rethink the legal profession. It's quite laughable.

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