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Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:55:39 PM »
im just not too impressed with brooklyn or st johns.. going to new york to me is about having the big city experience and going somewhere that stands out and has lots of opportunity. If nyls is the only option i think i'll just get my masters degree first.. but hopefully Cardozo pt or fordham pt will be available options. comments on fordham or cardozo?

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:52:23 PM »
i see.. i never heard of the "document checker" way of hiring people in a firm but not really..

what about competition in government or non profit employment? Such as government regulatory agencie or district attornys offices? those are areas you might get more time actually practicing, but with a probably third less salary.. any opinions there?

i still get the point of the matter...nyls definently a last choice for nyc - but still a viable option.

No, you don't get it. It isn't a "viable option" for the goals of most people. It isn't a good school, it is incredibly expensive, and the job prospects are terrible unless you already have connections before you go to school, which helps to skew their job placement ratings to make them appear better then it seems. It is a viable option if your goals are extremely, extremely modest (i.e. insurance defense or document review).

Your GPA is low, but not terrible. Try really hard to get it to a 3.0, and score a high 150s/low 160s on the LSAT. That will open up viable options. University of Miami is a more viable option for New York City firm jobs than NYLS (thanks to the Miami-New York connection), and a 3.0/160 can get you in, possibly with some merit money.




For the love of god, listen to this quoted reply.  NYLS is NOT a viable option...getting a job in NYC period is near impossible from this school.  Even seton hall and Rutgers offers better NYC opportunity overall than NYLS simply because they are superior schools.

Someone here made a perfect hierarchical flow explaining how competitive NYC is how NYLS is at the bottom of the list.


That point has already been established...yet we did forget that even CUNY is below nyls.

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 12, 2007, 10:31:18 AM »
I agree that I am very skeptacle about the employment prospects from nyls... i plan on getting a masters in public administration whether as a joint degree, before or after law school... and in the case that nyls is the only nyc option i may just do the mpa at nyu or new school first then apply to law school after that...

but, hopefully thats not the case..

to shift the conversation slightly...

chances at pt programs at Cardozo & Fordham:

Fordham- pt program lsat range: 160 - 163 , its the regular 4 year pt program.

Cardozo- pt lsat: 156 - 160. 3 year program; you start in the summer and do pt for the first year and finish the last 2 years in the normal schedule.

my info: gpa around the 3.0 area give or take 0.1, lsat i havent taken the real one yet but estimate to be in the high 150s or low 160s ...probably 158 - 162


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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 10, 2007, 08:54:40 PM »
i see.. i never heard of the "document checker" way of hiring people in a firm but not really..

what about competition in government or non profit employment? Such as government regulatory agencie or district attornys offices? those are areas you might get more time actually practicing, but with a probably third less salary.. any opinions there?

i still get the point of the matter...nyls definently a last choice for nyc - but still a viable option.

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 10, 2007, 03:56:15 PM »
My housemate is at NYLS right now.  He's a brilliant guy who's in a similar boat as you: wanting to practice in New York and not terrifically concerned with school as much as the degree.  Saying that, he works relentlessly.  It's a tough school, as are most, but it's worth the reward of being in NYC and the huge amount of firm jobs available here.  You will have some difficulty beating out the NYU/Columbia kids for some of the more "choice" jobs, but if you work hard and have good grades and lead your class, you should be fine and dandy in the city.  Good luck.

mertmengelmier - thanks for the advice! glad to hear some good things about the school.

also, as with the top choice jobs and such.. i dont expect to have the highest paid jobs with a firm in the city... a mid sized or even a smaller firm would be fine - and id be copletely happy with suggested median salaries for private practice work. And i really dont want to do corporate work- which seems to be the big competitive area anyway.. so considering i just want A firm job, while it may not be the most reputable by any extent, i think its still a good possibility of getting some kind of firm job after graduation if thats where I went.. seeing that 50% of NYLS graduates work in law firms according to last years graduating class stats.. in comparison we're really only talking about a difference of like 25% between NYLS all the way up to fordham.. could we be looking to far into it maybe?

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 09, 2007, 01:52:10 PM »
judicial clerks - I guess that doesnt sound too bad afterall, maybe thats a way into a firm job coming out of a lesser ranked school..

drv208.. very helpful advice..thanks!

I've looked at st johns and brooklyn, I'm sure they are fine schools but they just dont seem to really stand out in any way. I really like Cardozo (which i think with a good lsat i have a chance) and fordham pt (where it is a possibility). But, yes at the bottom of the barrel & last chance option, I guess I buy the "new, urban, bold" promotion of nyls.. i think it may be trying to improve its place in the nyc legal community with this renovation stuff... doubling the size of the school and somebody had to think is was decent enough to get 200 million to do the renovations. All said, NYLS = last of the 3 in nyc im applying to, but better than not being in nyc at all.

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Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 08, 2007, 06:23:51 PM »
I'm really looking at St Johns too now..  but i looked at rutgers- Newark & SHU and they both had very high employment as judicial clerks - not the kind of job i want to have after law school.  Id like to work in a firm, and i want to represent individual people (not corporate) which im finding is difficult to find. But- nyls is it if no luck with fordham pt, cardozo pt, or st johns.

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Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 08, 2007, 02:22:07 PM »
yanno,

I would be coming straight out of undergrad and going full time.

Im planning on applying to fordham (pt), cardozo (pt) and nyls (ft).. i expect to have around 160 and about 2.9 gpa so i think nyls is a likely possibility and cardozo is a decent chance and fordham a stretch. But i want to be comfortable with the possibility the nyls might be the only option (at worst case). *** is there anyone here that is  a current student at nyls or a recent graduate that could talk about their experiences with the school?

thanks again


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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 08, 2007, 02:15:33 PM »
Which is a better school (in terms of jobs after graduation and campus life)... Brooklyn Law School or NYLS?

well.. Brooklyn is higher ranked than NYLS so id imagine it might be a little bit easier to find employment in competitive areas. But i think im leaning towards NYLS bc of the location and possibility that their improvements might cause it to rise into the top 100.

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 07, 2007, 03:05:05 PM »
Location is the school's biggest asset.  Proximity to courts, law firms, and wall street is a huge plus.  Plenty of opportunities to network w/ lawyers and judges, and possibly do interships/externships during school.

But the real question is whether this will actually lead to jobs after graduating.  The school's reputation and cost also need to be considered.

I'm trying to decide between NYLS full time or Seton Hall part time evening.  I have visited both, and was impressed with both.  SHU is ranked higher, but commuting to Jersey from long island will be miserable (I will be living on LI for just my first year).  Hopefully I will make up my mind in the next few days.

Good luck.


I agree.. the location is amazing! I know the cost of the school is high but i imagine its due to the recent renovations and possibly bc the high cost of nyc..but yeah it is high comparably. But really i dont mind the cost as long as i can find a loan to add it to. I think im pretty much sold on this one.. unless employment prospects are bad for graduates or theres something that is just awful that i havent found out yet. Otherwise, i think i have a very good chance of getting in and being able to eventually practice law.

Good luck to you too! SHU is good too.. i believe the availability of a joint degree in international affairs would suggest they have a strong concentration in international law  if that is of any interest to you.

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