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« on: April 14, 2007, 03:03:42 PM »
Maybe queens is the same distance by train, but it doesnt look that way when you look at a map. Regardless, I am not interested in st johns so queens doesnt make much impact on this anyway. I'll strongly look into applying to brooklyn & seton hall both pt in addition to fordham, cardozo, and nyls (still absolute last). I'm also still applying to the masters program in public administration at nyu & new school.
Where am I from? - I lived in Cape May, NJ for several years but have been in south florida most recently. I also went to college for some of the time in buffalo, ny.
Im not interested in applying to rutgers newark, for a number of reasons.
additionally, I think there has been enough comments just generally disagreeing and saying that i am naive. I have looked into this as much as possible short of actually going in person. If you disagree show some kind of evidence as to why.
« on: April 14, 2007, 02:50:26 PM »
Are the PT programs really that much easier to get into? A 2.9 159 would have almost zero shot of getting into the Carzozo full-time program, and literally none at Fordham. How does this part-time thing work? Are these programs prevalent at other schools? Is it something worth considering?
well, i obviously cant say for sure bc i havent been admitted yet or even applied until october. But, from what it shows on lsac, many higher ranked schools have pt programs with much lower numbers.
« on: April 13, 2007, 11:10:22 PM »
please participate in the poll i just put up.
considering: gpa- 2.9 -3.1 approx lsat- est. 158-162
just out of undergrad, want to practice in nyc after graduation, good recommendations, and very active in internships & political groups during undergrad.
thanks for your input!
« on: April 13, 2007, 10:56:58 PM »
I get what your saying - be realistic, have another option between cardozo & nyls- i think brooklyn might work to fill that spot, especially the pt option at brooklyn.
I too am rather skeptacle about the nyls employment stats they present. I'm sure its only their top 10% that get the better firm jobs, and at least the top quarter to get in any firm from there- which, agreed, is very risky.
As with newark schools- I think I prefer Seton to Rut- Newark. Newark is the lower ranked school of the Rutgers law options and theres just nothing real great about being in Newark. Im sure its comparable to my time in buffalo in terms of the city itself. But, Brooklyn- great suggestion.
I also am not a fan of st johns being all the way on the other end of the city in queens, brooklyn is just over the bridge- but queens is all the way across the city.
« on: April 13, 2007, 09:27:15 PM »
I think im going to disagree with you on going for "all the wrong reasons" and the naive, unresearched description you would like to label me as.
Take a look at the numbers.. even for 2nd & 3rd tier schools.. even those places place students in firms where in large firms making over a 100 and in smaller ones averaging in the upper 60s, low 70s. worst case in a firm job u make 70 - and so what? i dont consider it bad, oh and yeah thats a "starting" salary- it only starts at that.
And for one thing i DO know, any public administration job that requires a masters degree in the government pays at least 80 - thats just cut and dry states and the federal government have pay grades, public administration jobs that require masters degrees pay well. And administrative positions in foundations and NPOs dont pay bad either.
« on: April 13, 2007, 08:12:40 PM »
i dont see it as rude, yet, but I believe its not as big as a stretch for cardozo especially - fordham is a stretch, but still maybe 20-30% chance. According to LSAC: fordham pt lsat is 160-163, and cardozo's pt lsat is 156 - 160. A 160 would be a hell of a shot at cardozo pt and a small chance at fordham - i dont see where you are getting these 165 lsat score ideas from? That would be the norm for the normal full time option at those schools but its not the case from what LSAC reports (which I think is reliable enough).
Housing is not a major concern, i'll find something.
« on: April 13, 2007, 07:32:34 PM »
I'm glad that you like Brooklyn. No I have not been to Brooklyn. But I do know a handful of people in manhattan and have you looked at the listings in the village voice ( odd, but much cheaper than common places like apartments.com or something).. i found many studios and 1 beds in those areas for the prices i mentioned. As far as space.. a 300 square foot studio is 3 times as much space as im living in now in my tiny dorm room so that wouldnt be an issue, plus i kind of find it interesting all the ways people have come up with to make more out of the space.. buying temporary walls, lofts, etc. And I WILL be splitting the cost in half, so even if the place costs 2000 a month im only paying half. and again, I've decided NYLS is an absolute last option, i think with my #s I have a good shot at cardozo (pt).
« on: April 13, 2007, 04:43:07 PM »
With all due respect, you are still not seeing the bigger picture. In my opinion, the ideal would be to come out of law school with as little debt as possible. Which means finding a modest apartment somewhere near where you are going to go to school.
I have lived in Northern New Jersey my entire life. Please understand it is worlds apart from the beach town of cape may, NJ. I live in Jersey City right now - you will quickly realize that you are not going to find an apartment within walking distance from any of the schools you would like to go to, particularly a studio apartment for a reasonable price. I would be willing to make a bet a majority of people who go to NYLS, Colombia, or even NYU law school actually don't live in Manhattan. Beyond that, you do not need to live in Manhattan to get an internship at the UN or any firm for that matter. Even more to the point, you will quickly learn the subway system in manhattan is a clusterf*ck and traveling inter-boro on express trains is sometimes significantly quicker than traveling locally.
Also, tell me what you mean by "very nice" areas of manhattan?
Because,unless you are a trust fund baby - or you want to spend 60% of your money on rent - you are not going to find a studio or one bedroom apartment in chelsea, the east/west village, LES, murray hill, or any other section you have seen on television.
Seriously, do a little more research. Also, not sure if you knew this, but lots of schools - like Brooklyn Law - offer student housing (subsidized apartments essentially) around where they are located - and they are very affordable and great to live in.
Seriously, no offense, but good luck paying for a studio apartment on law school loans in one of the most expensive cities in the world. Do yourself a favor and actually visit areas of Brooklyn before you make a judgement about where you want to live. Manhattan is not the best option for a law school student - unless you are, like i said, a trust fund baby.
You do know you actually have to pay your loans back at some point, right?
I have done quite a bit of research on the prices of apartments in the east/west/grenwich village, soho, tribeca area (where id like to live).. and i've found studios and 1 bedroom apts for about 1500 - 1800 a month - some even include some utilities! and i have no problem spending 60% of my living expense budget on good housing. This is quite an important thing to me since I went to college for a short time at a jesuit college in buffalo - in the ghetto of buffalo and it was not safe and the subway was not a good way to get around. I prefer to use above ground transportation. I am also dating someone who I plan on splitting the rent with too. And, my parents dont have any problem co-signing the loans, they're happy to make it happen. I guess im a bit lucky in that aspect. Cost is not a concern for me - theres a loan to cover it and i dont mind paying it back later- I just gotta get in. Additionally, most likely if you graduate from law school and start at least with a midsize firm your going to make around 100,000 I think i could manage to pay back 150 over 10 years.
« on: April 13, 2007, 03:01:10 PM »
I did live in Cape May, NJ for several years so I have some idea of the areas in NJ... and I understand that you are allowed to take around 25,000 a year out in loans for living expenses (amount varies by law school) .. given that, there are plenty of studios and even some 1 bedrooms in very nice areas of manhattan. And, yeah living there is a preference, but I do have many other justifications for the law school side of it as well.. while we have discussed that Big law firm positions both summer and after graduation are very competitive, there are many other great opportunities in the area other than law firms especially to try during law school - clinics, externships, courts, UN, etc. Being in manhattan would provide a great opportunity for living and some of the most influential organizations in government, public interest, and private sectors are all there. Its definantly for both reasons.
« on: April 12, 2007, 11:53:58 PM »
I really think you are overlooking Brooklyn - it has a solid reputation in NYC. I used to work at one of the largest corporate law firms and there are a good number of Brooklyn grads there - plus they are great attorneys and respected by their peers that went to Harvard, Columbia, etc. I know you said corporate law is not what you want, but Brooklyn grads end up with lots of jobs in New York ranging from big firms to clerkships to small firms, etc. I work at a non-profit in their legal department right now and both of my bosses went to Brooklyn. Definitely give it another look!
thanks for the advice... experienced & real advice!! .. i actually am considering brooklyn (but i guess i could just live in manhattan and go to BLS).. as far as jobs afterward.. i want to get an MPA as well, so what i really want to do (social justice/public interest) doesnt pay enough considering debt, but i think i found a niche that pays more but is somewhat rewarding; wills & estates with non profit giving as well as real estate, while doing more rewarding cases in pro bono work until i pay down the debt and can do more of what i would like. so i guess some of that area involves corporate law..ive noticed the big firms have non profit areas in their range of practice areas.
but NY schools.. in nyc; fordham, cardozo, brooklyn, nyls ... outside; i like syracuse too, but not really anywhere near nyc.
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