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Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 26, 2007, 10:13:11 PM »
What about St. John's? Or is that out of consoderation?

I have looked at St. John's a few times now, but i just dont really seem that impressed with it.. I will certainly look again, but is there something special about st johns that maybe i dont see?

also, i've come up with a new interest in media law & free speech.. which also in turn brought me to look into government employment options with regulatory agencies and the business sector with news & entertainment industry.. more possibilities! and it seems all the nyc schools have focuses or some sort of clinic or journal in media law so thats a good thing.

Law School Admissions / Re: any thoughts on Syracuse?
« on: April 22, 2007, 05:51:10 PM »
thanks! ..quite helpful.. Im not sure what to think of the fixed rate tuition, it might not be bad over the 3 years but it probably does make it difficult the first year at least. I think the employment stats are pretty good for a 3rd tier school, actually i think its probably one of the better third tier schools.. anybody know why syracuse is even in the third tier.. is there something that makes it a third tier school that should be questioned by potential applicants?

Jen2bJD, Good luck to you too!

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 22, 2007, 05:46:26 PM »
I truly believe that being meanspirited would be to NOT tell sahrunner how dumb his plans are. i don't particularly feel like standing idly by why naive young adults go into astronomical debt that follows them their entire lives.

Keno, you also said that too many people on here take a dump on anyones dreams if they don't involve T14 law. I totally agree with you, and that mentality is both destructive and wrong. However, I was not attacking sahrunner for not going to a T14 law school. Rather, I was attacking him for making decisions as IF he was already OUT of a T14 law school, when in reality he is not even accepted to a tier three school as of now. Making lif decisions based on misguided thinking such as "I'm sure I will make 100K a year straight out of Law School, so living in Manhattan should be a  breeze!" is destructive like you wouldn't believe.

Lets put this in perspective (again)...

Most likely I AM NOT going to NYLS... I was considering applying there as an absolute "safety" school. I understand just by knowing its a 3rd tier school very few grads will have firm jobs at all. My gpa isnt great by any means, but my expected lsat should be above average and I believe i have a  fine shot at a tier 2 or even some of the loer tier 1 schools (especially through pt enrollment options).

With housing, to quote the previous post on this page.. a 1 bedroom (OR STUDIO) isnt a million dollars, although expensive can be done... I understand it is expensive, but it can be done.

In reality with law school options... the pt summer entry option at Cardozo, pt at brooklyn, maybe pt at fordham, are my hopes for nyc schools... if not then possibly northeastern, pitt, syracuse, or seton hall for other places.

I dont expect to make 100k+ a year out of law school, if it happens then great, but i would like to work for some sort of firm. Hoping for any firm job i dont think is unreasonable. Considering most likely i will be coming out of a tier 2 school thats not a far off reality. This is not the expectation that i would have if i ended up at nyls (which most likely wont happen, but if it comes to tier 3 schools its not bad in that list).

maybe that can clarify some things for this discussion.

Law School Admissions / any thoughts on Syracuse?
« on: April 21, 2007, 02:26:34 PM »
Hey everyone, Im applying to law school next semester and one of the places im looking at is syracuse... i would be applying to the joint jd/mpa program and im pretty sure it shouldnt be a big concern about getting in... does anybody know about the employment prospects for syracuse grads? particularly in firm settings.

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 21, 2007, 02:23:12 PM »
to reply to the know it all new yorkers...

i didnt think it was a separate transit system, nor did i say it was cheaper. I do know that when I was in buffalo half of the subway system (the downtown part) was above ground and was mainly used by professionals who worked in nearby businesses, while the underground part in the residential areas was used mainly by weird, criminal people who u would risk your life by evening going that direction. I guess this is just buffalo and not everywhere, bc all the other major cities ive been to..chicago, atlanta, boston, etc i havent had any problem with the subway.

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 16, 2007, 10:14:32 PM »
I plan on visting them during fall break in october.

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 16, 2007, 04:09:12 PM »
I think this discussion is about come to a dead end.. I've heard your opinions and i dont think theres much left to say here.

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 16, 2007, 10:01:19 AM »
elevated train, ok so i got that one mixed up- there is an elevated train system in chicago- not new york.

and I looked up your so favored rutgers newark in comparison to seton hall... As I am not a New Jersey resident it would be 25,000 for full time out of state tuition at rutgers compared to 32,000 at seton hall..thats a difference of 7,000 a year and 21,000 over 3 years. That is a minor difference overall and if seton hall is like most private schools that difference of 7,000 would be made up in more financial aid from endowment in the forms of scholarships and grants. Additionally, I'm sure firms know that people coming out of a more costly law school have more debt to pay off after graduation and i'd imagine this is considered when your salary is decided.

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 16, 2007, 08:59:09 AM »

Obviously, I am sure you agree there is NO POINT to ever have a car in Manhattan. Brooklyn,Queens, etc - a different story. This thread really is laughable.

I said nothing about a car. Its laughable because you are adding to what I wrote- I said the subway is bad in buffalo and if its like it was in buffalo in new york than another mode of transportation might be preferred- nothing in that suggests a car.

Law School Admissions / Re: New York Law School... NYC law schools
« on: April 16, 2007, 08:57:01 AM »
Ok, right - But what are the number of reasons you would not apply to Rutgers-Newark?

You have obviously not researched this enough given the amount of ridiculous things you have been saying (i.e, queens is all the way across the city, you are going to make 100,000 dollars when you get out of school doing public interest/social justice work, etc).

The idea is to get out of school on the cheap - did your parents not raise you with a work ethic or a concept of money? YOU DO KNOW YOU HAVE TO PAY THESE LOANS BACK SO WHY NOT DO IT AS CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE. There are countless state schools (Rutgers being one of them) that are super cheap, and have a fantastic reputation - but you are more concerned with living in soho, tribeca, or the village in manhattan and being a real NY lawyer!.

Seriously, do you think i don't meet people like you every day?

Stay away from NY please, we need less, not more people like you here.

I think you also said you prefer "above ground" transportation. Seriously, good luck getting from point A to point B using the bus in manhattan. 

First, I never said I expected to make 100,000 doing public interest work. I believe what I said is that was the figure given in nyls's employment stats for private practice work for their graduates. I understand that public interest is like 40-50 on a high figure.

above ground- lets see, there are buses, the elevated train, cabs, the two legs you were born with, etc, or if the subway really is fine then that would work too. From my experiences living in buffalo, the subway was definantly not fine there and there were other ways to get around- and buffalo is the 2nd largest city in NY to NYC.

I have since realized the distance between manhattan and the surrounding boroughs as well, you do not need to repeat something that has already been clarified numerous times.

And with being cheap- you know private schools do give scholarships and grants and various other aid too! I've attended a private college throughout undergrad and I have no more loans than friends of mine at other state schools. Understanding law school is no where near the same, but private schools do tend to make up the difference in aid.

And rutgers newark- well, first there are two rutgers law schools; camden & newark, and newark seems to be the lower of the two. Then, R-N seems to be focusing on it being cheap, flexible scheduling, and catering to the "adult" law students who have been in the workplace for years. I dont think rutgers newark is a top pick for very many people coming straight out of undergrad who want to go full time.

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