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If I were making this decision (and, in fact, I just made such a decision) I would choose the school at which you will accumulate the least amount of debt that is also located in an area in which you could see yourself practicing for 3-5 years after graduation.   Case is a fine school, no doubt about it, but I'd imagine that it is every bit as regional as every other non-top 20-ish school.  Does Case have a strong alumni base in the pacific northwest?  Does it place well in Seattle, Portland, etc?  These are questions you will probably want to answer before making a final decision.

Just my two cents...


This is very good advice. The way I see it, once you are out of T14 and in some cases T20, you have to really start thinking in terms of comparing regions or cities, not school "names" (whatever amorphous entity that is). In reality, Case Western Reserve, like most other T1, T2, T3, and T4 schools, does not have powerful tentacles that can reach across regions into several states. This is a huge country, with thousands of localities, legal markets, and little niches known only to people within a few hundred mile radius.

Amass as much numerical evidence as you can on the numbers of Case and Gonzaga grads working in the regions or cities you may be interested in working in three years' time. (not forever, but, say, between 3 and 5 years after graduation). The best way I have found is to do a Martindale search (PM me if you need help) and look at self-reported employment (albeit often flawed) and OCI stats, but if anyone knows of other options, post them.

If you find that, as I suspect, Case does not reign outside of Ohio and possibly the states that border it, and if you are not satisfied with living in these places 3-5 years after graduation, and if Gonzaga's locale is a place you'd wanna be for that long, you have your answer.

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The biggest reason I can think to wait the year is the fact that a degree from Mississippi College may not help you pay off your loans as easily as you might need; that money you saved (and you have to be dead sure you can really save it; this is a big hurdle for a lot of people in this country) will really come in handy after you graduate and are facing down loans.

Come to that, how come you need to leave the wife in NY (I'm assuming MC is in the state of Miss.)? I would assume you have some compelling reason to go there, for example, wanting to practice in that state after law school.

Personally, I would also cut down the wedding to the bare minimum, but I hear grooms sometimes don't have much say in this matter.  ;)

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After reading several of her posts I can tell you that she can do better than T4 since people who tend to go to lower end schools just don't care enough to work their asses off or aren't smart enough.
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Now that's what I call hating, bro. Lots of people go to lower-ranked schools because of lots of different circumstances i.e. jobs they cannot leave their present city for, inability to uproot their family, interest in a particular region or smaller market, etc. We owe those people respect, not writing them off because we presume their LSATs or GPAs (aka "working their $#!@ off") weren't as high as the typical T1 student's.

Oh, and you may have heard that the lower ranked the school, the more difficult it is to beat the curve/pass/avoid flunking out, not because of personal motivation, but because of insane curving and grading practices meant to weed out the student population.


Being unwilling to go to a T3 or a T4 only shows us that the OP is level headed.
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Yeah, that's why I repeat my advice to "ignore the haters" (you know: those other people who told her she couldn't get her LSAT up and that she wasn;t in a position to consider herself "above a T4."

Again, OP: You should try for a higher-tier school because you want to and feel capable and you are not satisfied with the schools that accepted you thus far. That does not mean, however, that T4 is a bad place to be for everyone; those schools serve the needs of some motivated and hardworking people out there who, if circumstances were different, might have found themselves at a T14 instead of___________ (insert name of any school that gets lots of LSD hate).



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I did very well in UG in a challenging program, earned 2 degrees in 3 years, got Phi Beta Kappa, and worked full-time while doing it.  I just feel like I'm better than T4 (despite my test scores)... and you all feel the same way because I don't see many of you signing up for Cooley...

Ignore the haters. You don't need to justify your perception that a T4 education would be wasted on you and vice versa. The people who will be happiest at T4s and who will thrive after graduating from a T4 are precisely those people who do not let obstacles get in their way/who are determined to make the best of things. If you don't fall into this group, schools that don't get much rankings love will be a living nightmare for you.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: dentist woes
« on: May 31, 2007, 11:08:35 PM »
Go to (presumably a different) dentist's office and ask to buy a tube of flouride like Prevident or some other brand. This is concentrated stuff not available over the counter. Of course, it's meant to need months to take effect, but what it does is slowly reverse tooth decay/stop the progression of existing cavities. You brush with it twice or three times a day but don't rinse after.

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Ok, never thought I'd think this let alone say it...

Pirates III was not half bad.

I went because I'd already seen everything else playing. (Saw first one when it came out; skipped the second one). Expected to be bored out of my skull but was pretty darn impressed. The ending was the best part.

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While you certainly have a point, you can't blame issues like this on lawyers, be it ambulance chasers or not. This is a problem with the entire judicial system that needs to be fixed, as long as the legal system opens for these kind of things, people will take advantage of it, that's just how humans work. Its an issue the legislative branch needs to deal with, not lawyers.

This is true, although the way Congress and state legislatures work, you know half the doctors in the U.S. will have dropped out of practice before our elected ones get the bright idea to do something about it.

Still, there are extremely predatory solos and small firms that go above and beyond in terms of their pursuit of medical malpractice. I've actually received mailings telling me, "Have you had a baby? Is the baby not functioning properly? It was probably your OB/GYN; come get some representation." I think John Edwards who's running for '08 presidential was one of these/made millions doing it.

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General Off-Topic Board / "Will I like D.C.?" Depends
« on: May 25, 2007, 03:28:27 PM »
D.C.

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Someone (older) whose opinion I take seriously is a medical doctor (surgeon; specialist) and made big money over the past 30 years or so. He is in mourning, however, over the state of the medical industry for current and future doctors and urged me and other people my age not to consider medical school.This person claims that medical malpractice insurance is so hugely, prohibitively expensive now (thanks to...you guessed it...those gosh darn ambulance chasing lawyers), that being a doctor will soon be too expensive for even high-earning specialists and surgeons to break even. As evidence, he offered the OB/GYN speciality, which has been decimated by the cost of insurance (so many suits being brought along the lines of "the doctor who delivered my baby caused my baby's __________ [insert illness here]}). Hundreds of U.S. OB/GYNs have been forced out of business already (I actually saw a documentary about this, too). It's actually really frightening because, as much as I love dissing doctors for their out-of-touch, breezy, pre-emptory manners and failure to diagnose correctly half of my ailments, we really DO need doctors in every society, and it sucks that the legal industry has been so predatory andd forced good doctors out of the profession.

All predictions indicate this is only getting worse. 2 or 3k doctors even had this huge protest outside the Congressional buildings two or three years ago, begging for limits on insurance costs.

So, according to this and other doctors and a few documentaries, the consensus is: if you're in it for the money, DO NOT become an M.D. Do what the educated Middle Eastern/South Asian/African immigrant classes have been doing and become a dentist or pharmacist instead.

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Non-Traditional Students / The Mommy Wars for J.D.s
« on: May 21, 2007, 02:16:37 PM »
But, what I find most alarming is that the girls have seemed to regressed in their attitudes about motherhood and working.  So many are saying they will not work once they have babies...  Now, so many of my female classmates want to just blow off their expensive educations and become full time mothers. 

This was in the Props to Non-Trad thread, but I didn't want to highjack it, so I started this one.

Linda Hirschman (J.D., University of Chicago--now a PhD teaching philosophy at Brandeis) has written a lot on this topic and stirred up a good amount of "mommy wars" type controversy. I understand the positions of the two most polarized ends of this debate (Hirshman at one end saying women must continue working full-time or risk undoing decades of struggle for equality in the West; stay-at-home (highly educated) mothers on the other end saying the raising of kids with care and attention is not only their most important personal goal, but a benefit to society and an endeavor improved by mothers' graduate and professional educations, to boot).

Unfortunately, I think for mothers the issues are probably never this clear (polarized). The two things I can say as an observer are that (1) this is indeed a "high-class problem," limited to the educated (those women who paid and worked so much for their multiple degrees) and the solvent (those households in which finances permit one adult to stay at home) and (2) the all-or-nothing attitude of both sides in probably not very helpful.

Working part-time (difficult in big firms) is not the kiss of death for your kids--they'll survive and probably even do better for having you as a role model. Neither is working part time or taking two years off after birth the kiss of death for (much-needed) improvements in American attitudes towards women in the workforce; if anything, it may force Americans to realize that motherhood is a natural state that can co-exist with the words "professional" and "corporate."

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