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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SCREWED by WCL Fin Aid
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:57:14 PM »
WCL doesn't offer scholarship...they do, however, offer grants.

I know a few people that rec'd grants, but they really are few and far between

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As one soon-to-be-lawyer to another...you might need to learn how to research these things man....

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SCREWED by WCL Fin Aid
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:37:41 AM »
I'll speak for her since I'm in the same boat. 

EVERYBODY regardless of family contribution should be entitled to the full Stafford Loan amount.  American is our lender through Citibank.

This isn't even about the Grad PLUS...any graduate student should be eligible to receive the COA-Stafford amount to cover any expenses.

What justTTT is talking about is NeedAccess Grants.  Since WCL doesn't offer scholarship, they allow for NeedAccess Grant money.  This application DOES require you to describe your family's financial living situation.  It is very hard to get NeedAccess Grant money.

Is this a legitimate gripe, probably - but I think that it's no secret that WCL is very ANAL about giving money to 1Ls.  They DO however, provide easier assistance and merit-based scholarship money to 2Ls and 3Ls.  Yes, WCL is expensive..but if you look at average debt upon completion, it's something like $110k. 

DC is a great place to pick up summer associateships which do pay pretty well also.  I'm not happy about the cost of WCL, but I'm over that aspect and very excited about attending!!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American and Living in DC
« on: April 09, 2007, 07:26:32 PM »
There are so many different contributing factors into the job search for law graduates.  First and foremost, it definitely has a big emphasis on your GPA/Class Rank.  But let's face it, a law firm is going to be hesistant to hire a top 5% graduate if he/she is terrible during an interview.  Think about what the job search entails for these firms.  They are essentially looking to hire a person that is going to be the next partner.

 :D :D :D :D :D

I just wanted to make sure people know this...but in a class of say 40 incoming associates, do you know how many make partner???  Id say 5 or less.  And I mean equity partner, not that BS position they give you as basically a senior associate to placate your dreams for that cush corner office while they still bill you out at 400/hr.  Thats after your first failed marriage and some hypertension.

Rant over.  But seriously, if youre goal is to make partner at BIGLAW (V100), at least know what youre up against.

Well your post clearly shows reasoning skills that may be similar to Ali G himself.  Take a step back and actually read what I said buddy.  It's pretty cut and dry actually.  "Looking to hire a person that is going to be the next partner."  That doesn't allude or say that each new associate is going to be given the opportunity to make partner.  So to my knowledge, law recruiters aren't looking to hire somebody that would deam incompetent to make their way up to partner.  You didn't do so well on the LR section of the LSAT did you?

But alas, you're correct - not everybody makes full equity partner.  But before you try to call somebody out to look an idiot, read the post carefully before you become the idiot!  Booyakasha!!

 :-\

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American and Living in DC
« on: April 09, 2007, 12:27:47 PM »
There are so many different contributing factors into the job search for law graduates.  First and foremost, it definitely has a big emphasis on your GPA/Class Rank.  But let's face it, a law firm is going to be hesistant to hire a top 5% graduate if he/she is terrible during an interview.  Think about what the job search entails for these firms.  They are essentially looking to hire a person that is going to be the next partner.  It's obviously [should go without saying] going to be a difficult decision.  I spoke with a hiring partner of a MIDLAW firm in the greater DC are (Vienna, VA).  Points that I remember;

* Class rank is the first thing they look at, but it's not a detrimental factor.
* Class transcript (i.e. Did you take the classes that focus to our practice?)
* Extracurriculars (Law Review is huge, but so are other organizations)
* Interview Skills
* Summer Internships

Also, it's important to keep in mind that many law firms hire primarily from summer associates.

According to WCL's 2005 graduate survey, 44% go into private practice.  It's also a wonder to say that these reportings are nearly 2 years old.  Why does that matter?  The legal market has changed drasitcally in the last 2 years.  Cost of Living and Cost of Attending have both increased.  Consequently, the average starting wages are increasing as well.

I think this post makes absolutely no sense, so I apologize in advance to the people who are trying to piece it together.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American 2010
« on: April 08, 2007, 05:37:57 PM »
Just found this thread. Nice site here, by the way.

Anyway, I've gotten into American and will probably go. I do have one question, though. I plan on staying in the DC area after school and I want to know just how competitive American is with GW and G-Town students when it comes to DC firms. I know American is a good school, but it is behind the other 2. Is it way behind? If I finish in say the top half/top third, will I have problems finding a decent job coming out of AU?

True, it is not elite, but still T1 damnit ;)  And you're right, the finaid problems detract from the school having top level students attend there.  I think the quality of education at WCL will be top notch. 

It appears the AU faculty/student/grads relish the fact that they are underdogs, and force them to worker harder than the rest.  AU grads are well respected by employers.

I wondered that myself.  Top 1/3 will probably keep you very competitive in the DC area.  Keep in mind that BIGLAW are not the only law firms in the nation.  If you ever read XOXO, you'll lose sight of that. 

Research through different mediums to find the answer to this question. 

Exhibit A: http://www.wcl.american.edu/career/2005employstats.pdf?rd=1

Exhibit B: http://www.princetonreview.com/law/research/profiles/career.asp?listing=1035775&LTID=5&intbucketid=

It seems that a good majority of students are definitely employed after LS. 

Very true. I talked to one of my friends who went to NYU and currently works for Sullivan and Cromwell, and he assured me that there are plenty of job opportunities for AU grads. It's not elite, but it is a good school in a great law city. And if it ever started dishing out financial aid, it would climb the rankings fairly quickly.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American and Living in DC
« on: April 08, 2007, 05:35:10 PM »

This is all true.  I'd add that DC has the highest concentration of attorneys per capita than any other city in the country.  Yes AU grads are competitive, but don't think you can go there and not study.  I know everyone on here is motivated- you wouldn't have gotten into AU if you weren't, I'm just saying.  Employers aren't going to go as deep into the AU class as they will at other schools.  Just something to keep in mind. 



Right, I guess that kind of comes with an underlying assumption that top 1/3 is a must at any school.  BIGLAW at AU is probably obtainable with top 10% in DC and top 15% for NYC.  Otherwise, top 1/3 from there should be sufficient to have a good paying job, and a healthy amount of income for after your loan payments

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American 2010
« on: April 08, 2007, 05:16:41 PM »
Just found this thread. Nice site here, by the way.

Anyway, I've gotten into American and will probably go. I do have one question, though. I plan on staying in the DC area after school and I want to know just how competitive American is with GW and G-Town students when it comes to DC firms. I know American is a good school, but it is behind the other 2. Is it way behind? If I finish in say the top half/top third, will I have problems finding a decent job coming out of AU?

I wondered that myself.  Top 1/3 will probably keep you very competitive in the DC area.  Keep in mind that BIGLAW are not the only law firms in the nation.  If you ever read XOXO, you'll lose sight of that. 

Research through different mediums to find the answer to this question. 

Exhibit A: http://www.wcl.american.edu/career/2005employstats.pdf?rd=1

Exhibit B: http://www.princetonreview.com/law/research/profiles/career.asp?listing=1035775&LTID=5&intbucketid=

It seems that a good majority of students are definitely employed after LS. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: no notice...
« on: April 08, 2007, 05:09:09 PM »
Call and ask where the status of your application is?  Pretty simple...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American vs. Vermont
« on: April 08, 2007, 05:07:07 PM »
I second bamf's sentiments.  American WCL is far too expensive to attend if interested in Environ Law.  Unless you work for a private firm that specializes in Envir., you'll likely be working for the Gov't correct? 

Shew, Gov't wage just makes me cringe :(

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