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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 16, 2007, 01:22:07 AM »
where it is the arguably the 7th best regional school (behind GTown, GW, GMU, Maryland, UVA, William and Mary).

First, I don't agree with you.  I'd say we're behind GULC and GW - and on par with the rest.  Like I said, anything 25-50 is really just a matter of location and your class rank.  A low percentage of WCL grads will get BIGLAW, just like a low percentage at UMD, GMU, UVA, W&M). 

Second, I've found the facilities to be more than adequate.  I'm not sure where you get this notion of it being too small for the student population.  500 students in a 6 story building seems pretty adequate.  In fact, that is the first time I've ever heard that argument.

Fact of the matter is, I'm happy with my law school.  I see absolutely no reason to justify my reasoning to you guys.  As I stated above, this was intended to be for applicants and/or those who are considering WCL. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 16, 2007, 01:16:05 AM »
Bruin and Botbot...please stop wasting your time trolling against WCL.  There are plenty of people out there that are genuinely interested in WCL, and this thread was to serve as Q&A for those people.  Not for pathetic jerks like you guys that hijack threads and troll.  You really should get a hobby - hell, get a dog...Either wasy, give it a rest. 

You guys are really turning into poor representatives of your school(s) if the best you can come up with is belittling another school to make yours shine. I could really care less if you think Tulane is better than WCL --- honestly, I don't need your assurances to make me feel comfortable about my law school choice.

Waste your time trolling somewhere else...

Hijack? My first post in this thread was a one sentance comment. My subsequent posts have all been responses to your posts.

You started a thread about your law school- you need to be open to the idea that such a thread will not be a complete PR campaign for your school and that other posters might have an opinion or comment they wish to share.


Actually...I started this thread for a Q&A to prospetive applicants....I couldn't care less about PR.  I just wanted to answer questions that a few posters were curious about (i.e. DC questions, school questions, housing, etc.)

This thread was not intended for what you and botbot brought it to.  If you want to debate about why WCL has problems, feel free to message me personally, and not hijack a thread for unintended purposes.  Surely you can see that...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 15, 2007, 11:28:30 PM »
Bruin and Botbot...please stop wasting your time trolling against WCL.  There are plenty of people out there that are genuinely interested in WCL, and this thread was to serve as Q&A for those people.  Not for pathetic jerks like you guys that hijack threads and troll.  You really should get a hobby - hell, get a dog...Either wasy, give it a rest. 

You guys are really turning into poor representatives of your school(s) if the best you can come up with is belittling another school to make yours shine. I could really care less if you think Tulane is better than WCL --- honestly, I don't need your assurances to make me feel comfortable about my law school choice.

Waste your time trolling somewhere else...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 15, 2007, 11:21:52 PM »
At Tulane - top 35% gets BIGLAW and has less loans as they are likely on scholarship.

Way to completely destroy all of your credibility buddy..

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 15, 2007, 10:17:38 PM »

By your logic, shouldn't Cardozo (16 transfers out), Chicago-Kent (17 transfers out), and Loyola Marymount (13 transfers out) all have transfer numbers that are more similar to those at American? There is obviously something unique to American when 50 students are leaving each year to attend a different school. 

Please note that you call a theory of his speculation and then make a speculation of your own. Whether or not you think that speculation has more merit, it's still "pure speculation."

My take (which is speculation backed up by a bit of data): GW and Georgetown, the two schools I imagine take the most AU transfers, are large transfer taking schools (33 and 100 respectively). SMU and Tulane only really have Texas as a viable transfer alternative in the area (I get this by looking for a school that significantly outranks another school. There are no other regional law schools that fit that, and certainly no local schools). Texas only takes 14 transfers a year.

Add to this the fact that AU's matriculants were 469 compared to Tulane's 274.

The simple point is this: you meet a lot of good friends your first year of law school. Transfering usually takes you away from those good friends, but if you go to a place like AU, you can transfer to a number of places and still end up keeping those friends, keeping your apartment, keeping everything else in your life the same.  This is no small deal.

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Don't get me wrong. I think high transfer rates probably do indicate something about the student body not being exactly content. I don't believe, in my interactions with WCL students, that they are entirely happy with AU in the way that I've found people at USC. But I don't think you can read too much into the stats, and I certainly don't think you can make the argument that AU is overrated because of it.

Quick response..

1) I didn't speculate per se. Rather I pointed out how her/his speculation could easily be countered by a competing speculation.
 
2) All of your conclusions flow from the idea that students transfer to law schools in the same city where they currently attend. I'm not sure what, besides conjecture, supports your theory. Much of the posting on this site and database information from Yahoo supports the contrary. Transfers often desire to leave their city, some desire to return to a school closer to home, and others desire to attend a certain school irrespective of the city it is located in.

3) The presence of one high-intake (G-town) and one medium-intake (GW) transfer school in DC is mitigated by the proximate location of a number of other law schools (a couple which are similarly ranked schools to American).

4) Even if we assume that transfer rates should be considered in light of the schools matriculation numbers, American's transfer number should be no more than 25 to keep proportion with Tulane. In fact, it is twice that.

Any way you slice it, American has a serious problem: an extraordinary amount of students choose to transfer out.


Please, explain to me how that is a "problem."  Please, supply where you get your transfer stats.  To void of using substantial time to find it, I'd like to see where you are pulling these from.  Not because I don't believe you, but I would like to see it. 

I think there is a two-fold reason for people transferring by geographic measures.  The first being, like iscoredawaitlist points out, you can transfer from American to GWU/GULC without even having to move.  It is obvious that the career placement from those two schools are better than American's.  The second is pointed out by bruinbro.  People do tend to transfer to areas closer to home.  Looking through the 1L book I have, I see there are probably less than 5% of students at our school that are from the DC/VA/MD area.  Rather, WCL pull students from all across the nation.  SMU/Tulane are largely regional schools.  Does that mean that students don’t come from across the nation? – Absolutely not.  I would, however, contend that there are far more Texas residents that go to SMU, and far more Louisiana residents that go to Tulane – than DC/VA/MD residents that go to WCL.

Bottom line, I think it's ludicrous to argue that American has "problems" simply because of its transfer rate.  That argument has absolutely no merit to it at all.  Without providing some kind of statistical basis as to WHY people transfer, then you really have nothing but a number.  If the majority of students move upward to a T14 school to secure better career possibilities, or to move home due to a change of heart - then that is a perfectly relevant reason to do so. 

Again, until you can come up with a substantial explanation of why students elect to transfer, this argument is pointless.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Does Anyone Really Like Law School?
« on: November 15, 2007, 02:28:44 PM »
This is depressing.  On the other hand, my friends are pursuing their Masters right now in Speech Pathology, Psychology, Audiology, etc and they're not exactly loving their classes. Is it just the shock experienced coming from undergrad?

Depressing.


How many people enjoy SCHOOL in general.  Make no mistake about it, Law School is still SCHOOL!  You go there to learn and regurgitate what you've learned into one exam.  Is that practical? - No.  Is that the way it is? - Yes.  I for one DO enjoy lecture most of the time.  I have great professors and that has a lot to do with it.  I hate legal rhetoric with a passion - but who doesn't. 

Finals are going to suck a big one...but guess what --- finals in UG sucked too.  Not the best analogy, but still relevant nonetheless. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 15, 2007, 02:25:05 PM »

By your logic, shouldn't Cardozo (16 transfers out), Chicago-Kent (17 transfers out), and Loyola Marymount (13 transfers out) all have transfer numbers that are more similar to those at American? There is obviously something unique to American when 50 students are leaving each year to attend a different school. 

No. I personally (and I think many would agree including USNews) do not hold Chicago-Kent or Loyla Marymount to the same esteem as American. I don't think comparisons can be made between them. American was being compared to USNews peer T1 law schools - Tulane and SMU. Chi-Kent & Loyola Marymount are T2 (maybe not by much but they are). So what you've cited could actually be indicative of the difference in transfer opportunities between the bottm of T1 and the top of T2, not the proximity claim I was trying to point out. Transfering is not only about leaving - it's also about being accepted somewhere worth transfering to. And I would venture to say that Top T1 schools (where most AU students transfer) are more likely to accept transfer students from AU over Chicago-Kent or Loyola Marymount. Who knows maybe 50 students tried to transfer up from those schools and weren't accepted anywhere actually worth transfering to while 50 student from American were.

I tend to agree.  I think WCL's ranking is misleading.  Sure we're at the bottom part of T1, but I think our school is much more reputable than that.  There are some schools ranked above us that I just don't really get, but at the same time, don't mind.  USNEWs rankings are irrelevant, and just something for us on LSD to female dog and moan about for countless hours.  And honestly, outside of T14, and maybe even up to T25, the rest of T1 are all kind of jumbled in together.

If you really feel that people leaving WCL is indicative of it being a poor school, then so be it.  As a student, I can definitely testify that this is simple not the case.  And like a previous poster said, WCL is close to many good schools, not just GW/GULC/UMD.  It's easy to get to an Ivy Leagues from here and anything in NYC/Boston. 

PS - where are you getting your transfer #s?


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 15, 2007, 12:19:27 AM »
American had 50 students transfer out last year, more than almost any other law school. That is not a good sign.

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Lol, tag until after class - the mass exodus of the top 15% of your class is not a good thing (especially for a T50)

And yes, I have NO PROBLEM with people leaving WCL for upward mobility.  You make it sound so concrete that it's the top 15% leaving, which I'm sure it's not.  Either way, it's not really that big of a deal.  People transfer from ANY 30-70 range school to get to a T25.  Act like this is unique to WCL...you're a joke

You are correct in noting that transferring out is not unique to American, but American's huge volume of transfers does make it unique. Just to give some perspective using American’s peer schools: Tulane had 13 transfer out and SMU had 2.

Another thing I've noticed is ALOT of people come to WCL for public interest - and then decide against it once in law school.  WCL is far to expensive a debt for a $40k/yr job, IMO

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: TTT
« on: November 14, 2007, 08:02:32 PM »
Hey,

Why is it Third Tier Toilet and not Fourth Tier Toilet.

Many theorists like to say that anything out of T1 is not worth going to...

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Kids will be extremely stressed out, so you may not get a good feel of the personality of the school.  I've already begun to notice my class-mates starting to bunker in....

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