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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Is UW-Madison a "public ivy"
« on: December 09, 2007, 02:20:40 PM »
A debate was raging yesterday with some other people and myself over this question. Yes, this is an incredibly insecure question. But I am interested to see the perception of UW Madison outside of the "Madison bubble." I understand it has a pretty good reputation out east, relatively speaking. So what is it to you? Prominent, revered institution of higher learning or obscure, midwestern state school.

are we talking about college or law school?

i think that UW UG is regarded as being a pretty good school as far as public universities go.  not quite at the berkeley/michigan/UVA level though.  berkeley would probably be worth the transfer in my opinion.
I'm talking UG specifically.

Really?  Berkeley, Michigan, and UVA are that much better?

How does one explain this then? Here are the UNDERGRADUATE rankings for best politcal science programs, which is my major. From gourman's report, which is the definitive ranking for undergrad programs.

UNC Chapel Hill


Not to mention UW has top ten program in such prominent UG fields as Computer Science, History, Economics, Chemistry, and literally dozens of others.

What about Madison's median ACT being the same as Berkeley or Michigan in 2006?

How about the fact that it was ranked the 16th best university in the WORLD by a prominent Chinese University, a full five spots ahead of UMich?

(Link to last claim:

Or how about the fact that UW is a mere 4 spots away from Michigan in public university rankings?

I went to Madison for undergrad, and I think it's probably somewhere between 5-8 in public rankings.  It doesn't compare with Berkeley, Michigan, Virginia, and William and Mary, but it's certainly not a step down to any other public.  I'd say its peer group is UNC, Illinois, Georgia, and UCLA.

Now regarding this Political Science thing, we certainly have one of the best Grad Programs in Political Science in the entire country, and I also have no doubt that Undergraduate Political Science Majors from UW go on to do great things, but that program is a joke.  I double majored in history and poli sci, and only ended up tacking on the poli sci major because the requirements are so pathetic.  No research is required, no seminar, no specialization.  Even the upper level classes are 100 kids at the minimum unless you're taking something obscure like African International Relations.  The teachers and TAs generally don't care, and A's are not very difficult; B+'s are easier to get than anything.

Law School Admissions / Re: DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL!!!
« on: October 09, 2007, 12:24:59 AM »
The best advice in here is do not get a liberal arts degree.  Get a hard science degree, or a math degree, or a business degree, or an engineering degree.  Seriously.  You have options with those.  You know what I did with my History and Political Science degree from the best College in my state for a year before going to law school?  I delivered pizzas.  Seriously.

If you then decide to go to law school, do so in a way that you incur little debt, and do so only after you have explored the other options your BA/BS provides.  Likely you can make just as much as an attorney out of undergrad with one of the degrees I named above and you are just wasting 3 years of salary plus tuition and living expenses.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wisconsin with a 3.2 and 163?
« on: August 14, 2007, 10:41:28 PM »
Anyone have any tips on reapplying? My numbers were 3.4/157 and I'm a WI resident (non-URM). I didn't apply until January, however was very surprised not to have been at least waitlisted given my connection to the state, and the very high level of interest I showed. I was also WL at a number of other state schools around WI's level.

157 seems too low unless you have a great GPA (3.8+).  You're competitive at Marquette though.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Lying about Minority Status
« on: August 14, 2007, 12:58:40 AM »
Please watch "Soul Man" starring C. Thomas Howell on how to pull this off.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wisconsin with a 3.2 and 163?
« on: August 13, 2007, 10:02:41 PM »
You have a great shot.  My GPA was the same as yours and I went to UW as well, but had a 160 and I regret not applying.  You have a great shot, and don't get scared off by people who tell you they cap the amount of UW undergrads; they don't know what they're talking about.

Law School Admissions / Re: chances of top t14 w/ 164/4.1gpa?
« on: July 15, 2007, 05:49:09 PM »
Haha thanks, but no it is not in basket weaving.  I am actually at the Business School at Michigan, which is one of the top in the country.  You would think that with my GPA and discipline at school I would be able to get a 170 (which i got on practices), but I guess it didn't work out that way. 

Do the top schools average the scores or take the top one? What should I get on the retake to have a good shot at a top school?

Not to be overly critical, but if you have that insane GPA (even if it is in basket weaving) take it as fact that you have enough discipline and intestinal fortitude to get a 170 on the LSAT regardless if you are good test taker or not. I hate to be cruel, but treat the test like you treated your total undergraduate experience. Lock yourself in a room for months at a time, don't socialize, rag on us underachievers and put an exorbitant amount of pressure on yourself to do well no matter what the cost like you did the last four years of your college career.

P.S. I am envious

Why do you want to go to law school with a 4.1 from Michigan's Business School?  You can do a lot better, and if you hate your business job then apply in a few years and go to Northwestern.

Bush's main accomplishment is that he has defeated major terrorist cells and organizations, and prevented another terror attack in the United States.

New report says Al-Qaeda has reloaded.  Heckuva job Bushie.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Boyd- UNLV?
« on: June 01, 2007, 02:12:11 AM »
Oh yeah, get in at one of those mega resort hotels and work up to catering to the high rollers, and you're on a much better career path than some sucker with a JD.  Any semi-trendy restaurant and bar, or one in a good location, is going to have service people making major bank.  People go to Vegas to spend money, and if they hit it big they could buy out the bar and tip you a couple hundred bucks like nothing.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GGU vs Franklin Pierce
« on: May 29, 2007, 09:54:35 PM »
Why does this thread sound so familiar?  Oh yeah...,87972.0.html

Here's the deal man, Franklin Pierce is the only law school in NH and you should be okay in pretty much any faculty for firms in NH, VT, or ME.  Outside there, you're going to have to be on your hustle pretty hardcore.  GGU is a major disadvantage in the Bay Area.  You're competing for every job against Davis, Hastings, Boalt, Stanford, Washington, UCLA, USC, other T14, plus others for those jobs.  It's going to be exceptionally tough to break into the area.  You have a shot, but it's tough.  I would say your life quality would be higher if you go to Pierce, since you won't be as stressed to find a job after graduation and beyond.  But if Bay Area is a deal breaker for you, GGU has to be the choice.  Just think long and hard before you commit to an area for the rest of your life at 22 years old.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UC Hastings???
« on: May 29, 2007, 09:51:16 PM »
It's not anecdotal, it's statistical.  The statistics just form an incomplete picture.

You are ignorant of the word anecdotal--but thanks for playing.


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