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Current Law Students / Re: How can you stand out?
« on: May 04, 2008, 05:47:04 PM »
I'm a 1L at the top of a T2.  A lot of people just don't care, it's strange.

Can you pinpoint a source for this attitude?  That's really wierd. 

I honestly have no idea.  I think it's probably because most people do not understand the job situation they will face as a median student at a T2.

Current Law Students / Re: How can you stand out?
« on: May 04, 2008, 05:43:17 PM »
I'm a 1L at the top of a T2.  A lot of people just don't care, it's strange.

EDIT:  I would imagine that schools like GW, Fordham, Vandy, WUSTL would break this mold because those are national schools where everyone has the same goal (biglaw), but there aren't enough spots for all of those people.  State schools like UCLA and Texas will attract a lot of people who just want to go back to their hometown and all they need is a JD.

Current Law Students / Re: How can you stand out?
« on: May 04, 2008, 05:39:09 PM »
Actually I'm a little surprised how few people are truly gunning for the top.  At every school you're going to have people who don't come to LSD or other sites like this, and who think just getting a JD is their goal.  At T14s these people generally don't care because they'll get biglaw even near the bottom of the class.  At lower schools, a lot of people just don't care about grades as much, perhaps because they don't understand that only the top 10% get good jobs, or maybe because they have never gunned for grades.

Last final is Monday.  Probably a 5.

Student Bar Association party with free beer is Wednesday, that will be a 10.  My BAC might touch .30

look, there are lots of reasons one has lousy undergrad grades, just like there are lots of reasons one has lousy law school grades. The people who are at the bottom of their classes at law school did have the work ethic to do well in undergrad, and the bottom line is somebody has to get the bottom of their class at law school.

I think fresh out of UG "splitters" negates this argument some what, a 175 on the learnable LSAT and 2.6 over 4 years of UG and your last in your class at whatever law school says more about what plex is talking about.

I mean look at it this way, we all know the LSAT can be beat.  My thinking is purely this, given that, given splitters, given a school like Whitterís 52% attrition, and what must be a horrible curve (what like 2.4?) atrocious bar passage rate ect. And given that people with low UGPAs do get into top schools based just on their LSAT, and many top schools have a B+ or not curve at all, some no ranking too, and almost anyone can get a job from them.

If I was a Vegas bookie I would put even odds on the top of his class a Whitter being a better lawyer than bottom of his class at Georgetown. The simple fact is where you got everything going against you at Whitter, and you still still come out on top, to me at least, says something. Likewise to come out on the bottom says to me you likely did not put as much effort into the thing as you could have. Hence I would not place even money on you that you would in the work place instead.

That guy might still end up being a good lawyer, but Iím a gambling man, so I would not bet that way . There is of course a slight possibility I could be wrong. I mean I was wrong once before, a few years ago after I had about 11 beers and went home with what I thought was a chick. But since then Iíve been on a pretty good hot streak of always being right.  So I am going with my gut feeling here on this one.

Statistically the LSAT is a better predictor of grades than UGPA.  I don't know why you think the kid with the 2.6 GPA and 178 is going to do any worse than the 4.0 GPA and 162 with unique experiences.  The 4.0 in undergrad says "they study a lot", but in law school more studying doesn't really correlate with grades; the 2.6 in undergrad tells me "this person didn't care about undergraduate work at all", but who's to say they won't care about law school?

Transferring / Re: Transfer to these TTT schools..
« on: April 21, 2008, 04:46:07 PM »
Don't know anything specific, and obviously grades are the most important factor, but you have at least a couple Jesuit schools on that list.  I would imagine writing your personal statement about social justice and public interest could help.

Current Law Students / Re: Hornbooks and E&E
« on: March 30, 2008, 11:43:45 PM »
Not all the E&Es are great. The Torts & Civ Pro ones were so good, I just got in the habit of buying them for every class. But Contracts was either not good or not suited to the way my prof taught, and every time I try to read the Con Law one my eyelids get heavy. Property's ok, but I don't think the examples are very good.

I think finding a good supplement is part trial & error.

But a good site is If you spend more than like $60 or so they'll FedEx everything to you for free.

I thought the Contracts E&E was terrible as well.  The general rule is to buy the hornbook keyed to your casebook first.  If there isn't one, then get the best one you can find.  Glannon for Civ Pro, Dressler for Crim Law, Chemerinsky for Con Law.

Current Law Students / Re: Can You Have A Life in Law School?
« on: March 30, 2008, 11:28:21 PM »
I'm at a T2 and right around the Top 10% cutoff (it isn't release until the end of the year), and got a CALI award in one class.  I slacked all first semester, never briefed, and relied on old outlines because I didn't get around to making my own.

It's possible to have a life in law school, but even I wouldn't recommend doing what I did.  Of course, I'm slacking even more this semester :(

I'm in the top 15% and at a notoriously stingy T2, but with that said I'm not sure if I would pull the trigger on a transfer if they don't give me extra cash.  First of all, I'm in my hometown, which is relatively large, and the school has a monopoly on the city.  Secondly, I just don't know how much of an upgrade a transfer would be unless I'm really transferring up.  I'm content with this city, there are enough biglaw and midlaw firms for me to feel confident that I'll make good money coming out, and I won't get any scholarship money if I transfer.

If I got into a school that's a big upgrade (I would say probably T20 is where I put that), then I'm not sure if there is anything short of a full ride that could keep me, but if I didn't get into any of those I'm not sure if I would leave my hometown and my good GPA.

Transferring / Re: Transferring from Boalt or UofM to Yale or Harvard
« on: March 05, 2008, 05:28:30 AM »
Probably easier from Michigan because you'll have a GPA.

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