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Im in the same boat with Matthies...  Four years ago and now studying for the bar...

But, I got pulled off of GW's waitlist in May I believe.  I got off of Wake Forest's waitlist either during the end of july or early august I believe.  I have friends that got pulled from Harvard's last minute as well.  Most waitlist people are accepted after the deposits are due (there are two rounds of deposits at most schools) with a few being accepted last minute as people withdraw prior to classes starting.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 170 last October, 177 this June!
« on: July 04, 2009, 07:46:53 PM »
I took the LSAT last October and got a 170. I thought I could do better, so I studied again and got a 177 this June. I'm obviously really happy with my score, but what happens now? Supposedly, LSAC says to consider the highest score now, but certain law schools still claim to average the scores and ask for an addendum if there is a significant score increase. I feel my score increase is pretty significant, but I don't really know what to include in an addendum. I honestly think I did better because it was a noon test rather than a morning test (I barely got three hours of sleep before the October test) and because it wasn't during the school year so I could focus better on the LSAT. Are these valid things to include in an addendum? I didn't cancel my first score because I still thought I did decently, which I did.

I would do an addendum and only say the following:

That way they figure it out.

Congrats on the change!  I debated retaking mine but nixed it on the chance i wouldnt bring it up.  Congrats on your success and on taking the chance!

General Board / Re: What are firms looking for in a cover letter?
« on: July 04, 2009, 07:43:00 PM »
My experience is that they generally dont care.  I have applied with or without cover letters.  Obviously it is probably better to use a cover letter than not.  My advice, whatever you write, just proof it really well.   Ive spoken to recruiting coordinators who have basically told me that they dont read them really unless the candidate is borderline.

Law School Applications / Re: 3.7/167 - Where to cast the net?
« on: July 04, 2009, 05:12:46 PM »
You'd definitely get into GW and Id imagine you would be close to a full ride.  I cannot see you not getting in to G-town either.  Id try UVA as well.  Caste your net wide.  You have great numbers, but it is really random.

I did back during my cycle.  I wouldnt advice dressing up too much.  Khakis and a polo looks nice without it looking like you are overdoing it.  They should already have your resume, so I cannot see the point in bringing it unless you have updates.  Good luck!  I ended up getting off the waitlist at two of my top choices.  I hope you have the same luck!

2L job search / Re: Tell me what firms to bid on
« on: July 03, 2009, 12:06:00 PM »
Someone suggested Ropes.  Great firm and great practice areas.  Their NY office is pretty focused on IP lit.  I believe most of the NY lit department is IP, so that should be a consideration.

I did OCI twice: NY & DC.  Pretty focused on strait lit although Ill probably do IP.  This is who I though was worth it:

1. Kirkland
2. Skadden
3. Cleary
4. Cooley
5. Davis
6. Paul Weis
7. Sulcrom
8. Ropes
9. Wachtell
10. Latham

There are a few others, but this is who I applied to (except Wachtell)

I approached it like law school apps.  I went on Nalp, found the firms with a lit practice that paid market.  I looked through to make sure they had more than just a token lit group (firms with only 4-5 attorneys in a group are unlikely to take on new attorneys in that group) and didnt just have small NY offices.  Then, I went through Vault and made sure to select a few reaches, a few safeties, and a bunch in the middle.  With the economy, who really knows right now what will happen though.

General Board / Re: Studying/Bar Exam
« on: July 02, 2009, 03:42:34 PM »
Awesome, I just needed someone to tell me not to study that early.  Now I can drink lots of beer, play lots of golf, and just chillll.  In all seriousness, was your 3L year bad?  I was kinda expecting it to be much more laid back than 1L and 2L years.

I thought it was kinda boring.  Only took a few classes each semester (did a clinic first and a short term weekend class second).  The work wasn't bad at all compared to the first two years.  Had so much down time.  Ran a lot, drank a little, played some golf, dated a lot (figured I might as well get it in before my firm owns my soul), and slept a lot.

Dont make the mistake of letting your grades drop this far along, but let yourself have fun too.

General Board / Re: Studying for MPRE.
« on: July 01, 2009, 08:24:22 PM »
You may want to just sign up for barbri.  You are probably going to have to take it anyway, so you might just want to suck it up and get it over with.  Its only like 150 or so for the deposit.

I took the barbri prep class (3-4 hours) then read through the barbri book and did some practice.  Spend a total of about 8-10 hours total (class and studying outside of class).  Ended up with a 117.  Definitely put in too much effort (30 points worth).  It is a pretty simple exam although I have friends that graduated top of the class (top 5% or so, law review, Vault firm, etc) that only passed by 1 point.  Doesnt hurt to over prepare but dont kill yourself either.

General Board / Re: Studying/Bar Exam
« on: July 01, 2009, 04:38:08 PM »
I started the day barbri started assigning me work. 

Do yourself a favor and do start studying.  Barbri will do the work for you.  There is a lot of material, even in their handouts, that is never really tested.  Just wait till the summer.  Enjoy yourself and your time off (3L year).

did read through the whole post.  Just wanted to say, not all hope is lost. When I was practicing, I started around 152 and brought my score up to a 167 (ended up a little lower on the real test, but there were extenuating circumstances).  Just needed to read through a few books and learn a few skills.  If all you were doing is taking practice test, I cannot imagine you were actually learning anything.  Unlike the SAT, the LSAT isnt about memorizing.  You need to actually learn how to take the test itself.  I hope for you that a prep course will get you in the right direction.  And, if you do not get the score that you wont, dont let it bring you down.  I didnt end up with the one I wanted (really would have loved low 170s), had the lowest lsat score of any of the admits to my school (based on lawschoolnumbers data for non-URMs), and finished at the top of my class in law school.  It can be done.  This test doesnt define you.  It is important, but you can learn the material and improve.  Just need to focus your attention on the right thing.

Great advice. Very positive! I will take it. I wish all replys could be this informative, encouraging, and positive. Instead of negative, ignorant, and racist. THANKS A BUNCH! :-)

These pre-1Ls with low scores are so naive.   ;D

It's not naivety, it is just a realization on his/her part that something was wrong with his/her study technique and that an LSAT score can be improved, even drastically, with a proper study routine.

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