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Affirmative Action / Re: States ending AA
« on: March 20, 2008, 05:11:53 PM »

(Most) people from my generation (currently younger than 25) see AA as a continuation of racial highlighting. 



This is just patently false.  Speak for yourself, asshat.


Speak for yourself, sweetheart. 

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You have missed your vocation.  Why are you bothering with law school?  You should be writing for Harlequin.

I'll try to use smaller words and simpler sentences so you can follow along...

I an quivering with anticipation. 

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I probably should just skate on out of here and keep my opinion to myself but I find some of this spouting particularly small minded and not a little disappointing.  I am in somewhat unique situation in that I am applying to law school as an older (part time) student at the same time as my oldest daughter is applying to college as an undergraduate.   I am (we are) white middle/upper middle class.  I have spent a good amount of time talking to my daughter who is terrific student about realizing that she is going to be competing against lots of really talented other students some of whom are of different cultural and racial backgrounds and not only are the colleges going to be trying to create a diverse student body which would be to her benefit because in the world she is going to live and work in it would be great disservice for her not to be exposed to as many different and varied peoples as is possible, but also because I hope it will continue to shape her perception of the world as place in which it is natural for all different kinds people to co-exist and function homogenously. 

I have also tried to prepare her for the fact that there will be people of color who will be given an advantage in the admissions process.  In short, that schools will be accepting students with lesser grades and scores than she and while it might be tempting to be angry and see this as unfair, it is important to understand that it exactly the opposite; It is her chance (albeit not volitional) to help redress a situation that had been firmly entrenched in the American Psyche from it's inception (1617?) until (arguably) 1968.  Perhaps it is because I remember life in the 1960s (although just a child) I realize that the disadvantages and biases that existed for so long cannot begin to be reversed or mediated in just one generation, or two or maybe even 5 and in some areas of the deep south 10 or more.  Although we all would like to see the sun rise and set on our own desires and expectations I believe (and I would never assume that anyone else should have to believe what I believe) that we have a moral obligation to look at the world as being more than that-- it should be a collective, a continuum.  While it is easy to say "It wasn't me who was a bigot," or "I never owned slaves, my great-grandparents never owned slaves, why should I have to be punished?" or even more insidiously "He grew up in a middle class neighborhood, His family has more money than me, why should he get in over me with worse grades?"  realize that until 1954 in the Sweatt V. Painter case (thats only 54 years a long time I suppose if you're 21 but for those of you talk to your grandparents about what life was like in the 40's and 50's) blacks could be and were routinely excluded from "white" law schools (even if their scores were higher). 

I have told my daughter that we are able walk down the street and no one sees us and identifies us by our SAT or LSAT scores; We carry that inside and can choose or not to show or disclose it and thus can avoid being judged or categorized fairly or unfairly at our discretion.  With hope, someday the same may be true of race, but until that day comes what we can do to help move toward that end is to allow with grace and dignity someone whose color has been made for centuries an ignominious badge,  to stand in front of us, higher or lower scores not withstanding.

I will try to take what acceptances I get and be grateful.  I hope many of you can do the same.


You have missed your vocation.  Why are you bothering with law school?  You should be writing for Harlequin.

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Affirmative Action / Re: States ending AA
« on: March 20, 2008, 02:10:55 PM »
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Yeah.
AA will make them whole.  It will right the wrongs.  I didn't realize what a beautiful thing AA really is.
Diversity of ideas is far less important than diversity of skin tone.


I imagine you cannot be so limited in your thought process, but then perhaps my belief that anyone trying to become a lawyer must be capable of proficient critical thinking is as foolish as your statement above.  I suppose by your reckoning conservation, or fair labor practices, or even driving sober are all without merit since they don't "right the wrongs" of the past, of extinct species, women killed in factory fires, kids killed in DUI accidents. Instead of seeing AA as looking to change the past look at it something trying to effect a change in the future.




Uh huh.  You sure told me. 

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Affirmative Action / Re: States ending AA
« on: March 20, 2008, 01:16:29 PM »
I posted this in another thread where a similar sentiment was voiced and then (naively) set about to see if this was an isolated occurrence.  I was surprised to find a more blatant example here.  Sigh.




I probably should just skate on out of here and keep my opinion to myself but I find some of this spouting particularly small minded and not a little disappointing.  I am in somewhat unique situation in that I am applying to law school as an older (part time) student at the same time as my oldest daughter is applying to college as an undergraduate.   I am (we are) white middle/upper middle class.  I have spent a good amount of time talking to my daughter who is terrific student about realizing that she is going to be competing against lots of really talented other students some of whom are of different cultural and racial backgrounds and not only are the colleges going to be trying to create a diverse student body which would be to her benefit because in the world she is going to live and work in it would be great disservice for her not to be exposed to as many different and varied peoples as is possible, but also because I hope it will continue to shape her perception of the world as place in which it is natural for all different kinds people to co-exist and function homogenously.

I have also tried to prepare her for the fact that there will be people of color who will be given an advantage in the admissions process.  In short, that schools will be accepting students with lesser grades and scores than she and while it might be tempting to be angry and see this as unfair, it is important to understand that it exactly the opposite; It is her chance (albeit not volitional) to help redress a situation that had been firmly entrenched in the American Psyche from it's inception (1617?) until (arguably) 1968.  Perhaps it is because I remember life in the 1960s (although just a child) I realize that the disadvantages and biases that existed for so long cannot begin to be reversed or mediated in just one generation, or two or maybe even 5 and in some areas of the deep south 10 or more.  Although we all would like to see the sun rise and set on our own desires and expectations I believe (and I would never assume that anyone else should have to believe what I believe) that we have a moral obligation to look at the world as being more than that-- it should be a collective, a continuum.  While it is easy to say "It wasn't me who was a bigot," or "I never owned slaves, my great-grandparents never owned slaves, why should I have to be punished?" or even more insidiously "He grew up in a middle class neighborhood, His family has more money than me, why should he get in over me with worse grades?"  realize that until 1954 in the Sweatt V. Painter case (thats only 54 years a long time I suppose if you're 21 but for those of you talk to your grandparents about what life was like in the 40's and 50's) blacks could be and were routinely excluded from "white" law schools (even if their scores were higher).

I have told my daughter that we are able walk down the street and no one sees us and identifies us by our SAT or LSAT scores; We carry that inside and can choose or not to show or disclose it and thus can avoid being judged or categorized fairly or unfairly at our discretion.  With hope, someday the same may be true of race, but until that day comes what we can do to help move toward that end is to allow with grace and dignity someone whose color has been made for centuries an ignominious badge,  to stand in front of us, higher or lower scores not withstanding.

I will try to take what acceptances I get and be grateful.  I hope many of you can do the same.




Yeah.
AA will make them whole.  It will right the wrongs.  I didn't realize what a beautiful thing AA really is. 
Diversity of ideas is far less important than diversity of skin tone. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Vandy $$$$ vs UT $$ vs Cornell
« on: March 20, 2008, 12:36:00 PM »
This has got to be flame.  UT didn't offer me that much and I have way better numbers.  If it's true, seriously wtf, that's ridiculous. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Duke v. Texas ($)
« on: March 20, 2008, 12:32:11 PM »
I've visited Texas and am familiar with Austin (Texas resident), and will be visiting Duke for their upcoming ASW. However, I have no idea which to attend. I like Duke's national reputation more, but Texas would put me in alot less debt. Many advice or anything is appreciated.
I'd say UT, but of course I'm choosing TX over a couple of much higher ranked schools.  Where do you want to work? 

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Affirmative Action / Re: Emory or Vanderbilt
« on: November 16, 2007, 09:16:05 AM »
Flame.

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I'm sensing some levity in the this post.  You shouldn't mock...the afflicted.  Legacy admits are the real problem here and that should be addressed.

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I would wager that USNews "really thinks" Penn is a T6. Your pronouncements irritate the sh*t out of me, yknow?

And no one is disputing that law professors are often lawyers; however, in many cases, while not wrong to simply say "lawyers," to say "law professors" would be more precise and hence more desirable.

Dumbass.

You are always so unpleasant, and when did you ever have anything significant to contribute?

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