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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: South Carolina ASD....
« on: April 12, 2007, 11:39:50 PM »
Wow.  So I here I applied to SC and still haven't heard back, saw this thread on my page of unreads and thought, Hey!  Maybe someone else is waiting until they send the rest of their decisions at the end of April....

What the hell did I step into? 

I usually stay out of conversations like these but like on the Regent thread, feel compelled to say something. 

I was born in Pennsylvania, grew up in Virginia (lived there for 20 years) then joined the Navy where I lived in California, Washington, Virginia (again), and Pennsylvania (again.) 

For the PP who said that only minorities can talk about racism, I have to respectfully, but strongly, disagree. 

First...a note about America and racism:  folks, it's everywhere.  I've only been to the beaches of SC so I can't tell you about the people there, nor would I attempt to disagree with anyone's experiences there as those are your personal experiences and only you would know how good or bad you feel you were treated.  But I can tell you about my experiences in other states.

First, I'll start with Pennsylvania.  My father's family are closet racists--meaning, they tell racist jokes in the privacy of their own home, but to outsiders don't talk about such things unless they know people and their views, and are "nice" and "polite" to minorities (of all ethnicities) when they encounter them.  I happen to find this type of racism the most disturbing.  My father somehow grew up the exact opposite of his family.  He went off to college, his best friend was black, he scolded his family if he heard racist jokes and threatened my grandmother when she used the "n" word -- he told her that if she EVER used that word in his house, in front of his children, or in front of him again she would no longer be welcome in our house.  I never heard her use the word again.  My mother's family from PA is the same.  VERY racist.  They do not have a confederate flag hanging from their pick-up trucks, but they (I would argue) are just as, if not more racist than some of the folks I've met in the south.  My roommate (who was black, though she preferred the term "brown") up here in PA would tell me about her experiences at local restaurants and area businesses.  I never thought this area was racist until she told me some of the things that happened to her.  That's some experiences/people in Pennsylvania. 

Virginia:  Wow.  I don't even know where to begin.  Yes, Robert E. Lee is from VA, and believe me, there isn't a person in the state that forgets that.  When the city of Richmond had put up flags of historical people tied to the city and the state (they were more like banners of the faces/profiles of historical figures important to VA)--there was an outcry in the city to not include Robert E. Lee.  This is the same city that Wilder (the first black governor) is a mayor of.  The city put the banner up anyway (along with some other important figures such as Arthur Ashe) -- the result?  The banner was burned almost immediately and the city decided to not replace it.  While I did grow up in an area that was very diverse and went to the most diversified high school in my county, I was well aware of the racism problems other schools were having.  Yes, they did decide to put up the Arthur Ashe center in Richmond, but believe me...not without its controversy and protest from some powerful whites of the city.

California:  While I can't give examples of racist behavior that I witnessed or was told about from a black/white perspective, I can tell you the kind of racism and prejudice I witnessed towards Mexican-Americans.  The term "dirty mexican" and others I refuse to repeat were used so often I was shocked.  Go to southern california and I guarantee that you will witness racism in action.

Texas:  I dated someone while I was in the Navy that was from Tx.  I went home with him for a couple of weeks for Christmas to meet his family.  I've never met a more racist family (see above paragraphs) than his.  His town had a "fair" (much like a county fair) put on every year by the KKK and they thought nothing of it.  I still think that his father was a member.  I met one black person in the town the entire time I was there (this town was so small you could blink and miss it when driving through, so I met just about everyone the time I was there.)  His name was John and he introduced himself to me as such, but my BF's dad kept asking me if I met "Buck".  I kept saying no, I had no idea who he was talking about until my BF rolled his eyes and told me that Buck was the name his dad had given to John.  Why did he call him Buck?  Because he was a hunter, and as a buck is the preferred kill of deer hunters, his dad joked (actually JOKED) about wanting the opportunity to shoot this "Buck" right between the eyes and that being the ultimate kill for him--the "prize".  I felt like I was in the twilight zone.  I literally felt that when we had entered this town, I was somehow thwarted back in time before the Civil War.  I was disgusted and horrified because the racism I had seen or witnessed up until that point hadn't been so perverse and direct.  Not that the other forms were okay, I still recognized it and tried correcting it whenever I saw the opportunity (I would often get into discussions with family members to try and change their views.) But this was beyond anything I had ever seen.  When I got on the plane to get the hell out of there, I never looked back.  the BF and I broke it off shortly after once he realized I refused to ever go back there and refused to talk to his father (which made an interesting two weeks to begin with, I couldn't imagine having to see that man again.)  OKay, so what is my point?

I guess my point is that if you are in a place long enough, you'll experience just about everything.  I guess another point is that just because you don't experience something doesn't mean it isn't there. 

I have to say--SC is appealing to me.  Why? It's simple.  If we just tell everyone not to go there, to go someplace else because it has better racial relations what are we ultimately doing?  I consider myself a liberal (no, I don't think it is a bad word--liberals are not ALL like John Edwards or any other stereotype there is).  I'm an atheist with very strong opposing views to the fundamentalist christian laws that seem to be in place in SC.  The "ole boy's network" disturbs me... so why do I want to go to SC?  Because someone has to.  If you avoid a place because you disagree with what is going on there, you are ultimately contributing to the problem.  If more people that disagreed with the status quo would stay in SC in hopes to eventually change it, then wouldn't it be worth it?  Maybe I made a mistake by leaving that town in Tx and not looking back--maybe I should have stayed and tried to change the way many of those people thought.  Maybe I shouldn't have condemned the whole state for the experiences I saw (and witnessed) there. 

I don't have the answers.  But I think if people just left areas they disagreed with, would we have had the Civil War?  Would we have the 13th or 14th amendments?  Would women be voting?  The occasional protests aren't enough.  OUR generation has to stick around in some of these places, gain positions of power, and force change.  It takes time and unfortunately, it takes patience.  But telling people to give up and go elsewhere doesn't change the problem...it will just keep it there longer...won't it?   

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Christians, christians, christians. 

It's actually entertaining to hear some "christians" speak about themselves as a group.  It's even funnier hearing them speak (some of the fundy christians) about catholics as if they were the bane of their precious existence.  I guess the fact that catholics are in deed christians escapes them. 

My biggest problem with the current fundy christian mentality running through the high offices of this country is the superiority complex the belief seems to create in these people that makes them so adamently believe all other faiths (or nonfaiths as the case may be) are inferior.  This is precisely the kind of mentality the framers were trying to avoid.


But...I do have to note (small disclaimer) that I say "some" christians because I have met a few without these hardened views of superiority over every other person on the planet.  Some are actually my friends, and some are even my family.     

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Well...FWIW...and IMHO if you want to "change the world" you'd be better off without the religious chip on your shoulder I'm sure a school with distaste and intolerance of others with opposing views will push on you. 

I personally would rather jump off of a building than sit in a class with a 10 minute introductory prayer to the constitutional law class--I'm sure 1st amendment discussions there are truly stimulating.  (smell the sarcasm, please)

I won't even touch on what a PP said about the school's beliefs...I'll just get angry.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: This semester, "D" is for Diploma
« on: April 10, 2007, 09:42:55 AM »
I had a 5 page essay due last wednesday and guess when I did it?  On wednesday.  I can't seem to help it silentswirl...I feel the same way...I have the "itch" or "senioritis" whatever you call it.  I was starting to get scared I was just getting sick of school (not good for the future law student) but I think it's this place and the fact that we're oh so close to getting the big "D".  (I've been working towards that big "D" for 10 years...so I REALLY can't wait for May!) 

I have a paper due tonight and haven't started yet...and if I don't jump in the shower in the next 5 min, I'll be late to my first class.  Ugh.  So not motivated this semester.  I had hopes of bumping my gpa up too...now all I care about is graduating. 

Will law schools drop you if your gpa goes down on your final transcripts?  They don't do that, right??  :-\

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anyone calling the 1st Amendment a "lie to the left" --especially working in government, can be presumed to have zero intelligence.  I don't care where they went to law school.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Georgia State and Atlanta
« on: April 10, 2007, 09:27:14 AM »
I live in Atlanta and am likely to attend GSU PT.

City of Atlanta:

For a big city, COL is really cheap.  $800K buys you a MTV Cribs quality house in a country club.  $350K buys you brand new one bedroom high rise condo in Midtown.  Compared to Manhattan, L.A., and Chicago, it is cheap.  Gas price and foods are relatively cheap.  Atlanta and its metro area is quite large with plenty of things to do in various neighborhoods.

Many Fortune 500 cos. are located in Atlanta (Coke, Home Depot, UPS, Suntrust, Newell Rubbermade).  Also, many biglaws are in operation in Atlanta. 

GSU Law School:

It is in an urban setting in middle of downtown almost next door to state Capitol.  Campus is comprised of many buildings (not a traditional college building but rather like an office buildings) scattered across downtown Atlanta.  However, the law building is in the heart of the campus.  GSU absolutely is a commuter school.  There really is not much of sense of community at GSU (I got my undergrad at GSU 3 years ago so this is strictly based on my own experience).

It is my understanding that top GSU grads get jobs at big firms (Alston & Bird, King & Spalding, etc.)  I am not really sure what happens to the others.  However, I know many GSU grad attorneys working for large corporations, big 4 accounting firms, and small to mid size local law firms.  Many in-house counsel at the company I am working for (fortune 100 co) are GSU grad.

GSU law is really underrated IMHO.  GSU places its top grads to biglaws, LSAT ranges are only 2 points or so below UGA (ranked 36th), its bar passage rates are usually higher (or on par at times) than UGA and Emory (see http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/).  Maybe this is because the law school is relatively new (since 1982) and GSU undergrad program as a whole is still ranked as 4th tier national university.

GSU law just acquired a large building from Suntrust and this building will be occupied by the law school and the business school (well respected even to USNWR's standard)

http://law.gsu.edu/news/view.php?id=208

I have been told that this year's entering class won't be taking classes in the new building.  However, by the time I graduate, I would imagine that the new building will help GSU climb up in the ranking.  Currently, GSU sits at 82nd, up from 97th in 2007 rankding.

Plus, tuition for resident is really really cheap. it is less than $8K per year.



I'm waiting on one other school, but so far, I think Georgia State is where I'll end up (unless I get accepted at the other school)  Have you made a decision about GSU yet?

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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted TODAY !!
« on: April 09, 2007, 07:59:32 PM »
Congrats everyone!!!


In at Oregon today...now if I could just hear from a few more.... :)

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I made a 153 and also got into Miami. If GPA and other things are strong enough, you may can overcome a lower LSAT. So, I would apply anyways, even if a little low...you never know what will happen!  ;D


On the flip side of that, I got a 158 and got waitlisted at Miami.  Of course, I applied late (at the deadline) to all the schools I applied to (which I know limited my chances to some schools).  But...like you guys, I also got into T2 schools...Georgia State and Penn State.

And I'm SO glad I decided to go for it and apply instead of sitting a year out and going through it all again next year!

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Health Insurance?
« on: April 05, 2007, 01:02:27 AM »
I second the COBRA recommendation.  I went ahead and got on Aetna's individual plan (I'm unemployed at the moment) only because I didn't feel like switching again once I'm at school...but if you are only going without for 2 months, COBRA is the way to go.

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