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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: ITT: A WUSTL 3L answers your questions
« on: February 24, 2008, 05:10:43 PM »
You say that WUSTL has a very laid back environment where people don't talk about grades or rankings. What do you think it is about the students that makes them so?

Perhaps the notion of going to budweiser university attracts lazy fratboys?

Perhaps the large scholarships they offer attract a large number of stereotypical humanities majors with no other job prospects who are very ambivalent about law school in general and like the idea of delaying entering the real world while also not collecting 150k in debt?

Perhaps the friendliness toward people with high lsats and low gpas means alot of smart people who have trouble applying themselves or just don't concern themselves with external measures of success?

Perhaps its location in the midwest discourages many of the more obsessive gunnerish students from even applying?

Being as I am strongly considering enrolling in the fall, I am very interested in the general makeup of the student body. The huge binder I just got in the mail didn't really cover this subject very well.


I have never been in any sort of environment where people flaunt their grades or openly boast about how well they're doing. The fact that it does occur at various schools is completely foreign to me.

Everyone knows that rankings and grades are important. However, equally important is avoiding the disdain of your fellow classmates. It's not out of jealousy that one would garner disfavor. Rather, it is the fact that you come off as arrogant when you raise the subject for the sole purpose of flaunting your grades.

It's not that people actively avoid discussing grades. We simply don't see the merits in doing so.

If you are seeking affirmation in law school, then I suggest you attend a local school. This way your parents' refrigerator is readily at hand.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: ITT: A WUSTL 3L answers your questions
« on: February 21, 2008, 11:32:00 PM »
I'm a WUSTL 2L and would also be happy to answer some questions on here or by message.

Basics: I have a scholarship, I'm not from STL although I do have "ties to the area" and I didn't have a hard time with the job search.

As for rank, I would agree that you'd probably want to aim for top 20% (the cutoff for some OCI firms) or top 1/3 to have an easy time getting Biglaw at a top firm. If you're a bad interviewer, you will have a harder time (obviously) despite good grades. I do know numerous people outside of the top 1/3 - some are still looking (if the market they want has a lot of competition and not many options) but I know people in the bottom of the class who interview well and have non-market but high-paying firm jobs. A lot depends on the market you want and how flexible you are.

EDIT: I'm not on here often so if you want a fast response, message me which sends me an e-mail
Were you able to secure a job for this coming summer in St. Louis or are were you hoping to go elsewhere?  For the people who do not have jobs lined up, what are they doing to find jobs?  Is the career development office still assisting them or are they pretty much on their own?  I ask because there seems to be a trend that students who do not receive interviews or offers through OCI complain that the school's career development office isn't helping.  I was just wondering what your take on the situation was at Washington University. 

well, there are plenty of programs that the school offers, and I suggest you take advantage of all of them, especially as a 1L since offers are going to be limited in general. Regarding our CSO, the school is trying to revamp the way things are done generally. You'll become well acquainted with CSO your first week during orientation, one might even say, overly so.

most of my classmates are into their call-back interviews at this point which they have gotten through OCI or diversity programs. Depending on your first semester grades, programs tend to be more successful, since most are grade blind.

However, you should look at other school's websites, check state bar pages, and any other resources. Don't limit yourself at ANY school to simply their programs.

I will be interning for a Magistrate Judge in DC this summer, but I found this position on my own by researching other sites

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: ITT: A WUSTL 3L answers your questions
« on: February 21, 2008, 11:24:58 PM »
Thanks for the great information so far.

Any positives/negatives about the IP program?  I know there is an associated clinic, is it hard to get involved with it? 

How dog friendly is the area (big sloppy dogs) for renters?  Any dog parks around?

Thanks again!

I can't speak to the IP program but there is a clinic. STL (particularly the areas near Forest Park) is extremely dog friendly. There are always people walking their dogs in the park and in the Central West End, but my building doesn't allow larger dogs. (Others must, since I see large dogs all the time)

the IP program is growing and with each passing day, becoming more and more recognized. This coming spring the IP Law Society has brought in one the largest IP Boutiques in the nation from CA. The school, and the society, participate in the Patent Law Interview Program held in Chicago in August (though the program is a misnomer since it's not limited to patents), where IP firms from all over the nation come and hold interviews.

If you're interest in biotechnology, then STL is a good area, in general. Wash U's science departments and med schools are always in the news with some sort of scientific breakthrough or innovation. Monsanto, Sigma Aldrich, Pfizer, and other large bio/pharma companies have their "principal place of business" here.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: ITT: A WUSTL 3L answers your questions
« on: February 21, 2008, 11:15:08 PM »
might be an off topic question but what's the WUSTL campus like? I've never been to St. Louis and to be honest the only time I really hear much about the city is in regards to its high crime rate. I applied to WUSTL (waiting to hear back any day now) and am definitely entertaining the idea of attending if accepted, but if you could sorta fill me in on the city, such as the school's location and what there is to do in St. Louis, the crime factor, etc, I'd appreciate it.

This goes for anyone from the area as well if you'd be willing to fill me in...

Thanks.
The Campus is beautiful, though, given the amount of time a law student spends in the law school, you're not going to see much of it. Nonetheless, the buildings are nice, the facilities top-notch, and the faculty really helpful. Unfortunately, the law school is surrounded by the construction of two buildings right now, but don't let that deter you.

As for the St. Louis area, yes the crime rate is high (though Detroit recently took back "Most Dangerous City") BUT high only in certain areas. What I tell a lot of people is that the statistic is slightly skewed. It measures only the city limits and NOT what is thought of as the St. Louis area. It is, for better or worse, really obvious where crime is likely to occur. As long as you avoid these areas like you would in any other city, you'll be fine.

What is there to do?
Well, St Louis is one of the only cities where must of the museums and many of the attractions are FREE. The Art Museum, the History Museum, The Science Center, the Zoo, all of these are free admission (just eat somewhere else). There's plenty of bars and clubs in downtown, though, you will probably settle into the same few bars out of habit or necessity.

Also, if you're the gambling type, a new casino recently opened called "Lumierre's Place." A Bryan Cave, and former Jones Day attorney, described the place to me as the best casino he's been to outside Las Vegas.

(incidentally, I'm a 1L at WUSTL. I noticed there's a 2L here as well, so I suppose this thread runs the gamut, so to speak.)

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: WUSTL or Tulane?
« on: February 20, 2008, 11:40:58 PM »
apartments in the STL area range from $425 (studio) up to $600 (better studio, better location). pretty decent. mine is $550 (studio) a month and in an awesome building

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: WUSTL Admitted Students Day
« on: February 20, 2008, 11:38:01 PM »
I'm going to be there.

Anyone decide whether they are going to do the bus tour of St. Louis or the CivPro class yet?

I wonder if that's my Civ Pro Class....

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: WUSTL Full Ride vs. Vanderbilt
« on: February 03, 2008, 12:52:04 PM »
WUSTL lured Vandy's old dean, Sevyrud, away 2 years ago. Since then, WUSTL's rankings have been on the rise.

Whether or not this will affect future comparisons, I don't know, but perhaps it is something to consider

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Wash U Class of 2010
« on: August 24, 2007, 10:41:27 AM »
not to necro post or anything... but your question was left hanging.
I was at the middle school, as you know. It was good meeting you and chatting with you for a bit.

(now to the real question that has been on a lot of our minds:

Who is the Last King of Edinburgh?
:P

um

)

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: For People Who Are Buying a Mac for Law School
« on: August 12, 2007, 07:08:12 PM »
well said.

Parallels, you boot into OS X and can run it within the OS. You can even drag and drop from OS to OS. Parallels is a virtualization of Windows.

I plan on using Parallels for my MS Office OneNote 2007.

Bootcamp, boot into Windows and take exams.

Parallels, in a way, is a time saver. Don't have to keep switching back and forth and rebooting into a different OS.

Of course, the more RAM you have the smoother it will run.
huzzah for new macbook pros supporting 4 GB

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if my past has taught me anything, it's that I have no luck with "advisers," especially those that advise on my future affairs.

Phoenix law? I wouldn't be surprised if money is changing hands. As you mentioned, the school is not even accredited.

I suppose if you like hanging from oranges *thinks back to the junk mail flier* with a big happy grin across your face, then phoenix law would be a great choice--especially if you want to pick those oranges later in life.

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