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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: SMU ($$) v. UT ($)
« on: March 01, 2009, 05:13:17 PM »
Texas even if no money.

TITCR

You'll be amazed how many SMU graduates are unemployed right now. 

Can you give any more details about this? SMU is my top choice right now and that sure doesn't sound good...

Do you have access to any 2008 SMU graduates.  Ask how many of them are employed as attorneys and how many of them are not.  Ask specific questions.  Don't ask if they are "working," because virtually all of them are by now, some might even at law firms, but just not as attorneys.

If finding 2008 grads is a challenge, ask the 2009 grads now who are still at SMU.  Ask how many of them and their classmates (the ones who are not top 20%) have offers now. 

At most schools, all you hear is people getting big law and those are the ones who are telling everyone, but John Doe, who's at the median or below median of the class and still working as a "law clerk" at some firm, won't be advertising around about his current employment status. 

I actually don't have access to any SMU students or grads because I don't live in Texas. Do you go to SMU yourself? Also is this directly related to the economy and just a short term trend for SMU grads or are you saying the biglaw offers for SMU grads have traditionally been restricted to only the top 20%?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: SMU ($$) v. UT ($)
« on: March 01, 2009, 04:51:40 PM »
Texas even if no money.

TITCR

You'll be amazed how many SMU graduates are unemployed right now. 

Can you give any more details about this? SMU is my top choice right now and that sure doesn't sound good...

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 157/3.7 Chances
« on: March 01, 2009, 04:50:37 PM »
Your chances are as good as you think they are. I am also a URM and want to practice int'l human rights law. I got a 157 on my LSAT, was an honors college grad like yourself and had a 3.93 gpa. So far this cycle, I have been accepted into all of my top choices: UVA (75k scholarship), Cornell, GWU (105K scholarship), and Northwestern (along with some others) and waitlisted at GULC and UCLA. I spent too much time worrying about my chances and then just decided to send the best possible applications out....BUT if you are waiting until next year to apply, there is no reason not to take the LSAT again, with a higher score you'll have better chances of getting money...

Either way don't worry too much, I'm sure you'll get some great acceptances, provided you have a well-rounded application!

wow, wish i was an "URM"...

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Real-estate law
« on: February 28, 2009, 08:10:28 PM »
Present economic conditions aside...

I'm looking at the schools that I'm closely considering, and notice that they offer only a few courses in real-estate law when the entire field seems rich for course content.  Real-estate transactions, litigation, zoning, environmental, issues with common-ownership owned real-estate (condo's and townhouse associations), leasing, etc. 

One of the schools I'm considering (JMLS) is one of two in the country that have specialized programs for real-estate.  While looking at the breadth of courses available at the three other Chicago part-time schools their real-estate focused courses seems rather sparse. 

Your thoughts?

I doubt you'll have any trouble doing real estate-related work no matter what level school you attend or at what level firm you practice.  Real estate is about the most ubiquitous (and least intellectually challenging) of all the fields.  Trust me, I worked in RE finance.

Hey Argo when you said you worked in RE finance do you mean as an attorney or before you went to law school? I have a lot of questions if you worked as a real estate attorney, as that is what I want to do after law school.

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I'm gonig to have to agree with the above comment. FIU is clearly much, much, much worse than ucf, usf. I think fau is pretty bad, and fiu is along the lines of fau, marginally worse? FSU isn't even that good, and it's way better than those. UF is the best UG school in FL, and it kills me to say that, I hate Tim Tebow...But there's no deying UF>FSU>UM=UCF>USF>Stetson>UNF>Rollins>FAMU>(FAU,FIU). FIU is really bad.

UM is ranked 51 right behind UF ..FSU is in the 100s for undergrad... I think you mean UM>FSU=UCF

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Once again, do you put FIU's students' ambitions at the same level as students at UF, FSU, FAU, UCF, and UMiami? 

My comparison between FIU undergraduate students and others is a comparison which, for the sake of argument, assumes the ambitions of the students to be the same (regardless of what we agree that to be; whether gaining acceptance to McDonalds or not).  And, since I am comparing FIU undergraduate students to the majority of other academic institutions, Harvard, UF, and FAU (whoever you want) is included in that comparison.  So, yes, in this respect, the ambitions of FIU students and Harvard students are put on the same level.  Obviously, however, with respect to the achievement of goals or ambitions, if we compare FIU students to Harvard or even UF students, FIU students will always result in being “weaker,” since the undergraduate institution is itself worse. 

If you want to go ahead and make some point about this go right ahead but, I should remind you that we’re posting on a thread entitled “What’s your feeling on Florida International University” and, thus my intention is not to compare FIU students to students at Harvard or even to UF but, rather, to those schools similar to that FIU, which is most likely the type school which someone who is considering FIU wants to have a comparison with.  So, again, when I said FIU students are “weaker,” I meant this in relation to the majority of schools, however, I intended it so that it would be contrasted with the average university (whatever that is) and not Harvard, UF, and other such schools which obviously produce better undergraduate students (for the most part) and against which it would be obvious that, having the same ambition, the FIU student would be “weaker.”


You're just an elitist.  To you, if it's not top tier, it's not good enough.  No, FIU is not Harvard of even UF, but its undergraduate program and its students are just as good as UCF, FAU, and USF. 

LOL^^^ The person sounds like he goes to FIU himself but yet he's an "elitist". Maybe he just isn't biased about his school.. Also UCF and USF are both better schools.

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The point I was trying to make, simply put, was that FIU students are worse than others with regard to their ambitions (I apologize for not making a clear distinction between FIU students and others in my previous post).  So, if we're going to use the example of t14 law schools, then while certainly many or most people don't have "what it takes" to get into a t14 law school, I believe, FIU students have even less of "what it takes." 

Just PM me if you have any other questions.

Why PM?  Are you afraid to say it publicly? 

Worse than whom?  FAU?  Univ. of Miami?  UF? Harvard? 

All the above... get over it

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from wwww.collegeboard.com - Admission info for FIU undergraduates.

37% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
22% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
14% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
16% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
10% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99
1% had h.s. GPA between 2.0 and 2.49

I had a 3.75 and went to FIU for my freshmen year.  I was out of state and got a scholarship for $12k a year renewable, so I believe I paid $4,000 / year.  I transferred out for other reasons, but really enjoyed the school.  If you are a 'name whore' and need to attend a college with prestige, this is not for you.  FIU is very working class, and is perceived as the non-snobby institution of Miami (with UM obviously being the alternative.)  Campus is beautiful, and concensus is that the law school and medical school have a lot of backing in the community and are on the up and up!!

Good luck.

You have to pay because you're from out of state. In-state residents in the state of Florida all get a full tuition scholarship to any public school if they have over apprx 3.5 GPA in high school (I think its called bright futures or something). So they use that scholarship,add it to the FIU scholarship they'll receive for having over a 3.5, cash the remainder, and keep the money. I've met many FIU kids who transfered to UM and said the reason they went to FIU first was to get paid thousands in cash..

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from wwww.collegeboard.com - Admission info for FIU undergraduates.

37% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
22% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
14% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
16% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
10% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99
1% had h.s. GPA between 2.0 and 2.49

I had a 3.75 and went to FIU for my freshmen year.  I was out of state and got a scholarship for $12k a year renewable, so I believe I paid $4,000 / year.  I transferred out for other reasons, but really enjoyed the school.  If you are a 'name whore' and need to attend a college with prestige, this is not for you.  FIU is very working class, and is perceived as the non-snobby institution of Miami (with UM obviously being the alternative.)  Campus is beautiful, and concensus is that the law school and medical school have a lot of backing in the community and are on the up and up!!

Good luck.

That means that the majority of its students have a GPA higher than 3.5

You must not be from Florida.. their high schools are all on 6.0 scales. you do the math on what a 3.75 on a 6.0 scale is on a 4.0 scale..

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In addition, considering that many of FIU undergraduate students come to comprise the FIU law school body, I really wouldn't expect much gain in reputation or connections since the majority of FIU students are... well, "weak".  Although, maybe this isn't a bad thing, since if you are a good student you'll have little real competition.

Define "weak."  Weak as compare to students at UF, ofcourse, but what about compare to students at other state schools?  Don't you have to have at least a good SAT and GPA (say 3.5) from high school in order to get into FIU undergrad?

If you had a 3.5 on a 4. scale in high school, you would get 100% tuition + extra money to go to FIU lol.

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