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Current Law Students / Re: Real Estate Law
« on: July 02, 2009, 10:21:04 PM »
I am interning at a law firm that practices mostly real estate law (i.e. settlement, bankruptcy, foreclosure). Some of the job is rather routine (i.e. most foreclosure complaints are never litigated because--in fact--the homeowner did not pay and getting a judgment is quite easy)--but the job also has its interesting aspects. Dealing with mortgages, easements, etc. can get quite complex, and legal research is always involved. Moreover, some travel is involved--i get to go to sheriff sales once a month, lol. In terms of hours, it doesn't seem as bad as some of the BIG LAW hours you hear about on here. No doubt the attorney's are busy, but are offices are closed on the weekends and usually everyone is gone by around 5 or 6. Some attorney's do some of their work at home, but its not 70+ hours a week. I'd say give it a shot.

How much are starting salaries at your real estate law firm? How hard is it to get hired there?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Miami vs. San Diego
« on: June 06, 2009, 12:02:22 PM »
I live in San Diego.  Go to Miami.

I live in Miami. Unless you want to work in Palm Beach or Broward county, go to San Diego.

U of San Diego
U of Miami
Florida State

Please help me choose the right school.  :'(

Miami and San Diego are #1 in their market.

Chicago-Kent is 3rd in its own city, and thats not even counting the Michigan grads who would all have preference over them as well in chicago.

FSU is located in a small town and has no real big market near it.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Miami legal market
« on: June 05, 2009, 05:38:43 PM »
I would have to disagree that Spanish is a requirement. It certainly helps, especially if you want to do international work but it definitely is not a requirement. There are also several strong litigation and bankruptcy practices.

I wouldn't think it was either.  Spanish is certainly spoken in Miami, but it's hardly the dominant language. 

Yes, it is the dominant language spoken in the city. Spanish is the first language of 66.75% of the City of Miami's hosueholds.

In all of Miami-Dade County, it is the primary language of 59.25% of households:

And the most watch television station in Miami? It isn't FOX, ABC, CBS, or's the Univision affiliate: (old PR, but it's still #1).

Keep in mind that even if it's the first language of most people in the City, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the "dominant" lanaguage.  Overall, I'm sure more people speak English than speak Spanish.  (Most Spanish-speakers will speak both.)  More importantly (for Biglaw), the people at the top of the socio-economic ladder will mainly speak English.

This is Miami. If you are at the top of the socio-economic ladder in Miami, you definitely, without a doubt, speak Spanish. The most expensive areas in Florida, like Coral Gables, are primarily Spanish speaking areas. If you go into a high-end store like Gucci or Nordstrom, you will be greeted in Spanish and the signs are in Spanish. The wealthiest people in Miami are typically Hispanic, and, more specifically, Cuban and Venezuelan.

My mom works with a client in Miami in a different industry who is ridiculously wealthy, but speaks very little English.

Hispanics in Miami aren't the lower-income types that are typical of other largest, urban areas.

This just isn't true. In fact, Coral Gables is the one area of Miami that I've never, ever had a problem meeting someone who didn't speak english. Its really the poorer areas of town where you go into a subway and the workers can't even speak english and you have to point to what you want.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Miami legal market
« on: June 05, 2009, 05:34:15 PM »
I'm in Miami now and before I got here I was dreading the idea of having to learn Spanish. It is true that wherever you go, people speak Spanish. In fact, no matter how white/asian/black you look they will still speak to you in Spanish first and switch to English (if they know it). However, in courtrooms they speak English, at firms they speak English, at school they speak English.... get the idea? You really don't need to know Spanish unless you are doing something immigration related, international, or public-interest where most of your clients will speak another language. Creole is another biggie down here, so if you know French that may be attractive to some employers but I really wouldn't worry about that part.

As for firms, White & Case, Greenburg, Ackerman, Carlton Fields, Hunton & Williams....
If you aren't at a Florida school be prepared to give a good explanation as to why you are interested in working in Miami (other than the weather). You won't be disadvantaged by starting your career in Miami unless you decide to move somewhere else later. You would be at a disadvantage wherever you go afterwards just because you don't have any roots in that area. That is why most people advise you to work where you plan on being at in the long term.

I guess this post takes back all your previous ones on this thread from years ago saying spanish is required to even get an interview in miami?



Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

This is clearly the advice from someone who's not a law student (for more than two years) or a lawyer, so just ignore it.  If you're a 2L/3L or an attorney, you will see how naive that statement is. 

But I never said anything about law employment opportunities. I said international. I don't think it's naive. It's true and I took advantage of it while I was there. It is a school that places emphasis on international affairs, and goes out of its way to give students a chance to take advantage of employment opportunities that have an international angle.

It has nothing to do with being a 2L, 3L, 4L, 5L, or a lawyer. It has to do with what the school had to offer, and since I attended the school and took advantage of it, I was just giving my opinion. No other assumptions.

Are there a lot of 5L's at FIU?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U of Miami
« on: May 17, 2009, 04:25:48 AM »
Thats what I meant. No one around me seems to know about FSU. I know this doesnt matter when we are discussing law school rankings, but still..

Correct me if I am wrong, it seems that you care more about what you friends think than the actual quality of the school itself. 

Once again, FSU is ranked higher than UM.

Yeah, FSU is ranked higher, but everyone cares about lay-prestige (i.e., what your friends think. Peeps who say they don't are lying. Now, does that mean you should the school with the best lay-prestige? Of course not. That would be dumb.

Does one want to pay $6,000 for the lay prestige, maybe, but $60K?  For Cornell, yes.  For Duke, yes.  UM, com'on now. 

To be fair, rankings aren't everything. Personally, I am much more concerned about the career placement and average starting salary of graduates than what the school is ranked in some book. I am pretty sure UM actually has a higher starting salary than both UF and FSU even though FSU and UF are ranked higher.

That being said, I wouldn't go to UM Law myself. Its competitive as hell since you have to do well to find a good job, and I wouldn't be able to focus on school with all the things to do. If you really want a place where you can focus on law school and not feel like you are missing out on fun, to go Gainsville.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U of Miami
« on: May 16, 2009, 11:12:01 AM »
I am no Paris Hilton (If I was that rich, I would prob be doing something else with my life) but the cost isn't exactly my utmost concern either. (I'm fortunate that my parents are willing to pay for my education) I am more interested in the quality of education and reputation of these schools.(as well as living condition). I know this is totally irrelevant, but most of the people around me have never really heard about FSU. Of course they all know UM because it's a pretty famous school. Another thing that kinda bothers me is that FSU is a state school but not as good as UF while UM seems to have a solid reputation nationwide despite being private institution. I could be wrong about all these. So, if it wasn't for the cost factor, people would choose UM over FSU right? BTW Thanks for the feedback.  :)

No. FSU still wins. In the game. In the classroom. In life.

LOL, I can't speak about law schools, but in the undergrad level UM destroys FSU in everything if tuition was the same. Except for hotter girls, which FSU is still tops in the state.

I was just admitted here and I have been planning on going to MSU, but seeing how much cheaper FIU will be has me interested.  I still don't know very much about the school and I wondered if anyone had visited or knew anything about the school.  The internet seems to have very mixed reviews and I would just like the opinion of anyone who is attending or visited the school. 

FIU is definitely on the map now athletic wise. It is getting alot of attention because they just hired Isaiah Thomas as their head basketball coach.

They are not on the map athletic wise. Their team will still suck a$$ in every sport, doesn't matter who their coach is.

Yea that is what has really caught my attention is the 9,000 dollar a year tuition.  I just want to be sure the campus is in a good part of Miami and has a reputable program.  I at least now MSU is a popular school if nothing else for their affilation in the Big 10 and that East Lansing will be a safe comfortable town except for the intense cold.  Still at a crossroads, but I am beginning to lean towards FIU.   

Don't be too amused by the low tuition, there is a reason for that. Phoenix Law school is in a great city as well, I'm sure they would throw 100% tuition at you if a low cost T-4 is what you are looking for. MSU is the second law school of choice in their state, while FIU comes after Miami, UF, FSU, Stetson, and all those Ivey League schools who seems to send a lot of their graduates to Miami.

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