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I think that it's interesting that many people here on LSD focus on Wisconsin's "interest in public interest law". I think that this might be a little misleading, I know lots of current and former law students that didn't do much in terms of public interest work. The administration definitely tries to play up their programs that focus on that kind of work, but I think most students focus on more conventional pursuits.

And as far as the comments about UW seeming more juvenile... I think that's a pretty bold statement to make. Especially if you are comparing UW to UMN and you haven't even been to UMN or met any of the students there etc. The incident that you spoke of with the professor and his remarks in class is actually pretty telling about the culture here at UW. There is definitely a small, yet vocal, group of liberal students that tend to make as much noise as possible. I feel like most students (esp in undergrad, and from what I've gathered in the law school as well) were much less worked up about the whole situation. And there most definitely is a strong, if somewhat less vocal, conservative segment of the student population.

But I digress. I'm going to be attending the ASW on Friday night and Saturday morning and the LEO banquet Saturday night too. I'm interested to see where the "after party" is going to be... plenty of good options around in Madison to be sure. Interesting fact: Madison has some of the most bars per capita in the country, makes Madison a pretty fun place...

Hopefully it's not going to snow much tonight, looks like just rain for now. But I'd still bring a jacket to keep warm. Personally having lived primarily in Wisconsin or another cold climate, a little rain and snow isn't too bad. I saw some other LSD posts about people visiting in February when it was -6 degrees with a God awful wild chill. Madison does actually have awesome weather in the summer, especially late summer and early fall, so don't let this weather discourage you.

It's hard to leave a place like Madison though, especially because I think that I want to stay in Wisconsin. The in-state tuition and the diploma privilege are nice perks. And UW places pretty well in the Chicago market, biglaw isn't out of the question if you do well at UW. Granted most firms will recruit a little deeper into the class at UMN but both have successful graduates throughout the Midwest. I feel that UW and UMN both have good reps around the Midwest, probably pretty equal in a large market like Chicago. But all that being said... I still kinda feel like UMN is just a little more on the top of their game.

But seriously, the ASW should be pretty fun. The venue is pretty nice, I've been to events there before. The hotel that the banquet is held in is actually pretty nice (not sure about prices) but there are plenty of hotels within 10 minutes walking distance of the law school and dinner venue. Anyone else hoping for open bar??

Right now I'm pretty much 50/50. I like the setting in Minnesota because it's quite a bit different than Madison... but it's still hard to say that Minneapolis is a better place to live than Madison. It's kind of hard to discount the rankings difference (although I think that minor differences do get magnified, esp. on LSD) but almost everyone that I have spoken with in both the Chicago and Milwaukee legal markets (where I would want to practice) has said that it's basically a wash between the two schools. Do well at either and you'll have plenty of opportunities. I think UMN has more national reach, but that really isn't a priority for me right now. I'm still waiting to see how some things play out in my personal life, ie I might have a good reason to stay in Madison. So for right now I'm putting off my decision as long as possible.

And donvito... don't worry that they haven't gotten back to you yet. The administration here at UW is notorious for dragging their feet on everything. I thought I would have almost been an auto-admit (in state, above median GPA, above 75th percentile LSAT) and I didn't hear back from them until about two weeks ago. Hopefully you'll have some good news soon!

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Wisconsin ASW... who's going?
« on: April 10, 2007, 03:06:44 PM »
Just wondering who is planning on attending the UW-Madison ASW this upcoming weekend. I'm an undergrad at UW right now so if anyone has any questions, concerns, etc., I'd be more than happy to help. I'm still deciding between UW and Minnesota, and I'm excited to get a chance to meet some potential classmates this weekend. Everyone who is coming should be excited about coming to Madison, it's an awesome town... even though it's going to be snowing tonight and tomorrow...  :'(


Just wondering what the prospects are for transfer students to UChicago. Are there any? If yes, where do they come from? What kind of grades did they have etc.? I'm probably going to end up at a BigTen school; Wisconsin, Minnesota, UIUC, or Iowa for at least my first year. But would want to move to Chicago by my 2L for personal reasons. Any help would be much appreciated.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. DePaul-Kent-Loyola
« on: February 27, 2007, 06:23:19 AM »
Thanks to everyone for their responses. Everyone has been extremely helpful. I guess I realize that going to any of those T2 schools over  Minnesota would be a crazy idea, the only reason I would do it would be for my personal reasons. Unfortunately I'm not really a solid candidate for either Northwestern or UChicago, so it seems unlikely that I'll be ending up in Chicago next year. Does anyone have any knowledge about transferring in to either Northwestern or UChicago? I would imagine it's pretty hard, but it might be an option for me?!?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. DePaul-Kent-Loyola
« on: February 26, 2007, 01:16:41 PM »
I have applied at UW but I'm currently there as an undergrad and would like a change of scenery. Seven years in one place is a long time...

Choosing the Right Law School / Minnesota vs. DePaul-Kent-Loyola
« on: February 26, 2007, 12:54:24 PM »
Am I crazy?

I've been accepted at the University of Minnesota and as a Wisconsin resident I qualify for reduced tuition (reciprocity agreement between the states). I've also been accepted at DePaul, Kent, and Loyola with scholarships of 18,000 ; 20,000 ; and 16,000 respectively. With the scholarships it seems to be pretty much a wash financially (esp. at Kent). I want to end up practicing in Chicago (close to my family, girlfriend, always wanted to live there, etc.) and I know for sure that I don't want to do BIGLAW.

So am I crazy for considering going to a T2 school in Chicago (leaning towards Kent) vs. Minnesota? I'm also accepted at IU-Bloomington (with small scholarship) and waiting on Iowa and Illinois (although I think my chances at UIUC are slim cuz I'm out of state). Any advice? I'm really having a tough time with the decision and its starting to get to the point where I need to make some choices. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.

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