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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Is UW-Madison a "public ivy"
« on: December 09, 2007, 06:03:37 PM »
I'm a UW graduate and even I think this thread is ridiculous. UW is a great school; nobody is denying that. It has a high quality student body and a lot of prestigious programs. Most people who know/matter understand that UW is a very high quality school. And as far as perception is concerned UW is definitely viewed (whether justified or not) as a small step below Michigan but on the same level as UIUC. And perception is just that; perception, an impression. If you are a high quality student that has your sh*t together you're not going to have any problems finding a job/getting into LS.

And to the OP:
You're making the rest of us look like we have an inferiority complex, just be happy that they let you transfer from Platteville (I think it is absolutely ridiculous how easy it is to transfer from UW system schools, we need to keep the rabble like you out)

F*ck em' Bucky! And On Wisconsin!

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Howard is up there with the T14
« on: December 09, 2007, 05:33:35 PM »
A Howard degree is not necessarily more respected.  Lots of firms interview at the campus because it is an HBC.  Firms want more minorities to work for them.  It makes them more diverse.  A white student would most likely not benefit from all the firms  interviewing at Howard.

Obviously Howard is NOT a T14...

I know that.  I was just trying to get across the point that so many places interview there because they know they will find well qualified minority students at the school in large numbers.  In contrast, a lot of firms in search of diversity would not interview en masse at George Mason or Southern Methodist.  Firms need to up the number of minorities who work for them.  It makes them more diverse.
Just thought it might be important to note that a lot of the drive for diversity in the legal profession originates in the client base. As corporate America pushes for diversity they demand that law firms be diverse too. So maybe corporate America isn't all bad?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Name Some Great Movies
« on: December 07, 2007, 10:41:38 PM »
Just saw American Gangster and liked it. It got me wondering about the best gangster movies of all time? Any thoughts? Mine, in no particular order.

The Godfather (Parts I and II)
The Departed
Blow (does this count as a gangster movie? I think does because he's a drug lord.)
Good Fellas

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 160-164 Thread (give or take)
« on: December 06, 2007, 10:20:00 PM »
I had this crazy, vivid dream I got into BU last night. 

..I didn't even apply there though :(

You know you spend too much time thinking about the law school admissions process when even your sub-conscience mind f*cks you... I've had similar dreams. I feel your pain.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Anyone there
« on: December 06, 2007, 01:25:34 AM »
I wish I could say I empathize... but I'm 14 hours ahead of you. So it's 5:30 in the evening here. Haha

Studying for the LSAT / Re: How Pathetic Are Law School Admissions?
« on: December 06, 2007, 12:16:08 AM »
What a shame. That story makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong by just applying to law school and being associated with the whole process.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 160-164 Thread (give or take)
« on: December 05, 2007, 11:47:54 PM »
well you're welcome here Vietnow :)

Yes! This sense of belonging... of acceptance... I feel that it won't last long though. Has anyone had any good news yet? I want some encouragement.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Couple questions
« on: December 05, 2007, 08:46:30 PM »
OCI Employers = the number of firms/employers coming for on campus interviewing (OCI)

Ciolli TQS = not sure, but I would infer that it has something to do with the national reach/portability of the degree/concentration of graduates; as t14 schools have correspondingly high numbers and T3/T4 have "regional"

As to your last question... I don't think they kick you out unless you fail out/cheat/don't pay your tuition. It doesn't seem to make sense to drop you because of a low score (I assume mean LSAT) one year after they have admitted you and reported you to USNEWS.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: How Pathetic Are Law School Admissions?
« on: December 05, 2007, 06:53:19 PM »
My proposal for a substantially better system?
1) Keep the LSAT, and use it as a "rough indicator of verbal intelligence", a significant and important factor in legal work (Say... 25-30% of the entire index)
2) Use UGPA combined with rigor of academic program as a "rough indicator of academic hard workand dedication" (Also 25-30% of the index)
3) Work experience in a law-related or intellectually rigorous field - just like business school admissions (20% of the index)
4) One reasonably large written sample on a controversial topic where you choose a side and defend it. (Say 10-20 pages, 10% of the index)
5) Personal statement and other significant EC and social factors (The remainder of the index)

A great idea; but totally impractical purely because of volume. Imagine reading 2000 10-20 page essays. For the math majors that is between 20 and 40,000 pages of writing. And you think it takes a long time for them to make a decision now, imagine how long it would take with that as part of the app.

Quality of the undergrad institution perhaps? Success breeds success after all.

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