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DC is a very elitist job market. A JD from UChicago will do well there, probably better than UVA or Duke all else being equal. Whether or not you get a "good job" (assuming "good job" means biglaw or competitive job in the public sector) out of any school is pretty much a coin toss due to the economy. Unless things really improve a lot, there are no guarantees anywhere.

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General Board / Re: Typical day of a law school student?
« on: October 19, 2009, 04:48:40 PM »
Public sector jobs are more competitive than ever and the good ones were never easy to get. Not only that, but things like clinics and academic year internships/externships are highly valued by public sector employers and are a huge time suck on top of classes. Merely coasting your way through law school isn't going to get you a good public sector job. The fact that you will be going to Columbia, again, makes no difference.

SEC 2L is right and I didn't mean to imply that every 2L will have more free time. Many will, some won't. A lot of 2Ls I knew had more free time, but I didn't. 3L is actually the busiest year for me because I'm in a clinic.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: lsat scholarships
« on: October 19, 2009, 02:20:44 PM »
The only schools that might give you a "fat scholarship" for a 157 is a tier 4 located outside of a major city, but you'll probably also need a good GPA for that. Whatever scholly you might get would have strict law school GPA requirements in order to keep it for all 3 years of law school.

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General Board / Re: Typical day of a law school student?
« on: October 19, 2009, 02:15:05 PM »
Depends on how well you manage your time but I would plan on having very, very little free time during 1L.

You will have more free time during 2L and 3L but unless the economy improves dramatically by that time, you'd probably be better off gaining as much legal experience as possible to make yourself as attractive as possible to employers. The days of a top law school guaranteeing you a six-figure income no matter what are basically over unless something drastically changes from the current situation.

My honest advice is that if you're really passionate about your arts career is to not go to law school at all, or not go to law school until you've completely gotten it out of your system.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 159/3.33
« on: October 17, 2009, 01:31:04 AM »
My advice: retake and try to get into W&M or GMU. The money you'll save on in-state tuition will be worth it.

Can you pay your tuition in cash with no loans or minimal loans? If not, forget Villa and American. Neither is worth it even if they do let you in.

Unless you had a truly bad year that brought your overall gpa down due to extenuating circumstances, an addendum isn't going to be appropriate for a 3.3.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: anecdotes about texas law schools
« on: October 15, 2009, 06:42:12 PM »
St. Mary's had a much better rep many years ago than it does now. Over time, their admissions standards dropped and so did their bar passage rate. To get the bar passage rate up, they instituted a killer curve that was harsh even for a t2/3/4 school. Basically, a good chunk of the bottom students would automatically flunk out because of the curve.

I know one Baylor student who described the school as very tough and rigorous. They have required classes and such that other schools don't have. They are also on a quarter system instead of a semester system like most law schools.

Personally I would not attend SMU or Baylor unless I had a substantial scholarship with no 1L performance strings or had the money to pay for law school in cash. Placement for the average student at these schools just isn't that good. I don't know how people justify taking out massive loans to go to these schools. In the current economy, placement is really bad. No LRAP at either, I believe.

If you are planning to take out big loans but can't get into UT, I would focus on TTU and UH. I wouldn't bother with the other schools in TX.

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Law School Applications / Re: too smart for my own good?
« on: October 15, 2009, 10:48:00 AM »
+ 1.

Flame?

All I heard was "I swear I'm smart! Oh yeah, please disregard the low GPA..."

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General Board / Re: In a pickle
« on: October 14, 2009, 02:44:09 PM »
Check the language on law school applications. Many of them will require you to disclose things that are expunged, arrests that result in no charges, etc. Even if they don't ask disclosing is probably a wise idea.

RE: whether or not it can be expunged, that's a legal question that you will have to consult a lawyer about.

Appealing it through the school totally depends on your school's policies and procedures. Check them and then consult your Academic Counselor and/or University Ombudsman.

Regardless of what happens, I doubt it will affect your admission to law school.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: L.L.M. in Law and Government: Is it beneficial?
« on: October 14, 2009, 02:31:00 PM »
Scooby, feel free to PM me if you want to get into specifics.

I never said you were doomed to mediocrity. There is nothing inherently mediocre about working in state govt. Lots of grads from all types of schools do. Also, where you start isn't the same thing as where you finish. However, coming out of a school like yours with no mention of substantial work experience or anything else that separates you from the horde of students seeking work in DC (who all think they're special), I believe I gave you a fairly realistic assessment. I also stand behind my statement that these LLM programs are cash cows for the schools and nothing more. Like I said, your best bet is probably to seek work in your home state or AR, get some substantial experience and then try to move to the Federal/DC level.

If you want to see what kind of odds you are up against for Fed Govt. positions take a look at this:

http://www.law.arizona.edu/career/honorshandbook.cfm

Your school career office should be able to get you a password. Note that the app pool for these jobs has increased quite a bit since the stats in the handbook were published.

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Law School Applications / Re: Informal Meeting with Admissions
« on: October 14, 2009, 12:36:30 PM »
If any admissions staff are rude to you or act even slightly jerky, maintain your polite demeanor no matter what. Forget the resume. Also realize that these informal meetings aren't going to boost your app much. No matter what anyone tells you, including admissions staff, most law school admission decisions are made based on GPA + LSAT, with a heavy emphasis on LSAT.

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