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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American U - Financial Aid
« on: April 05, 2007, 09:17:08 AM »
do they offer work study?

According to the law school regulations, full-time 1ls are prohibited from working.  Although I did not plan to work my first year, I still would like to have this option open.  Did anyone else know this?
The actual ABA rule is:

ABA Standard 304 (f): "A student may not engage in employment for more than 20 hours per week in any semester in which the student is enrolled in more than 12 class hours."

But many law schools just say no work at all. They effectively have no way of knowing (aside from it showing up in your financial aid app the next year, maybe ;)) but I'd probably check first before doing otherwise, even if it's just a school rule.

I haven't gotten an email [or anything in the mail] yet... does that mean I'm not getting any financial aid?  I'm starting to get worred b/c at ASD on March 23rd they said that we'd be getting out fin aid packages "any day now".  2 weeks later and still no info...
I didn't get an email either, but I just checked online (someone provided instructions above). Just loans for me too.

Oh, and also, anybody get a Perkins loan that they know of? I have a subsidized and an unsubsidized federal loan listed, which I was told in an email are both Staffords. Why no Perkins??
My impression from undergrad (where I also didn't get a Perkins loan) was that they were very rare and only for those with extreme need. Not sure about that though.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American U - Financial Aid
« on: April 04, 2007, 07:44:03 PM »
My grant showed up online.  it was on that screen and had the same text.  It was the only thing that was listed on the screen (no stafford or gradplus).  Unfortunately, it may just be that you didnt' qualify for any grants.  I have a financial situation where my parents' income doesn't account for assistance (not that they are giving me any anyways!), so I'm guessing that this is why I qualified for grants (since they consider your parents' income).
Ah, OK, thanks. Well, that makes this decision easy :)

I don't think they considered my parents - I've been on my own for a few years now. But, I am a PT candidate, and they flatly told me that PT candidates were ineligible for need-based aid. Seems a bit silly... why would they think PT applicants would have more money than FT applicants? I don't have any money... that's why I'm going PT. Can't afford / don't want to take loans for rent and food.

Ah well. I was hoping they'd throw a merit grant my way, but no such luck.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American U - Financial Aid
« on: April 04, 2007, 07:33:39 PM »
I think that AU gave out financial aid awards today (well I got mine).  When I was at the ASD, they made it sound like it was a mass financial aid award distribution.  Did you try logging onto, clicking on finance, my accept financial aid award, and going forward to the 2007-2008 school year?

Also, AU requires an additional financial aid app. (I think it's need access.) So hopefully you filled this out too Hyde Park.
Do they show grants online? I saw this text but wasn't sure: "Neither WCL grants for entering students or supplemental loan awards can be accepted on line."

I couldn't figure out if that meant they would be shown but couldn't be accepted online -- or if they just wouldn't show.

Yeah...but I've already been working. I'll be 30 soon, so I'm a little more debt-averse than some others.
I feel ya. That's why I'm keeping my job. Something about the idea of borrowing rent and food money that is altogether too much for me.

I really wish I had done this whole thing 3-4 years ago. The thought of BIGLAW for a few years if I was younger wouldn't worry me, esp in regards to being able to have children.
That is definitely a really tough choice.

But take heart - Miranda from SATC did it and looked fab doing it. At least in the later seasons. And one of the core lessons is that life is just like TV :)

Yeah...but I've already been working. I'll be 30 soon, so I'm a little more debt-averse than some others.
I feel ya. That's why I'm keeping my job. Something about the idea of borrowing rent and food money that is altogether too much for me.

The coldness of the woman from Ithaca begs for a bad pun.

Seriously though, nasty treatment!

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: GW Preview Weekend wrap ups
« on: April 03, 2007, 08:58:29 PM »
Dude, where were you? If you were with the LSD crew, I totally didn't meet you.

I didn't meet the LSD crew either :(
I am pretty sure I met you/talked to you having now seen your pic, how funny ;)

One LSDer came up to recognized me and came up to me but otherwise I was LSD-dry. My fault tho, I didn't decide to go to the FT ASW until late.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: GW Preview Weekend wrap ups
« on: April 03, 2007, 08:47:47 PM »
I was amused after the lunch when I asked my tour guide about the professor at our table and he sucked in his breath and said "WHAT A male private part". It was one of the refreshing bits that made me glad there was so much face time with current students.

Was anyone surprised about how much networking was touted? I ran through it casually at dinner with a friend from WCL because I just assumed it was the norm and she stopped me and was like "Maybe that's a GW thing... there is none of that pushed at WCL".

It's the artificiality, Hollowman. EVERYTHING about this city is fake. The culture is fake, the people are fake, the food is fake, the politicians are sure as hell fake. Everything is a copy of a copy. It's like living in a dirtier Disneyland. Disneyland is fun to visit. It's even fun to live in for a few months or a year. But it gets old fast.

DC also draws a lot of people of certain type (elitist, ambitious, power-hungry types, morally-superior ideologues) that I find very distasteful.

There are a lot of nice, decent people in DC. But in my experience, a lot of those folks are a) real DC residents (mostly poor, black residents of Northeast and Southeast), or b) just passing through. I seriously make trips out to deep Northeast pretty often just to get a half-smoke and a dose of authenticity.
I think I understand where you're coming from, but I don't really feel as... vehemently?... as you do. Part of it may have to do with our jobs and industries, perhaps?

I've lived here since 2001 in several places downtown, Glover Park, northern VA, and even a stint in northeast off the RI ave metro. I came here for college and work for a non-profit. The people I met at school are some of the closest friends I have -- hardly fake -- and the memories I have from being a college student here -- bars, nightlife, food, events -- are very real to me. The nature of my industry invites people who are willing to accept a lower salary for one reason or another, and who are generally extremely hard workers, interested in bettering the organization and themselves as individuals. I'm very close with many of them, likely to the horror of the HR department.

But we are, all of us, not from DC. I only met one person in college who was from DC, and I haven't met any at work. I've met many in the neighborhoods who have been here for a very long time -- decades -- but its the rare few who started and continued here. The hard reality is that the picture isn't very pretty for the kids that get born here. The figure that gets tossed around is that DC kids in Anacostia and elsewhere have something like a 9% college graduation rate, and not all in that percentage are going to DC colleges. The racial and socioeconomic divide here is a wide one and sometimes there isn't a lot of mixing. Many cities have a transient nature and a race/s-e line, but DC I'd say is higher at both.

There are many negatives inherent in that arrangement, but there are also negatives in the opposite - a homogeneous mass with no differences, and a group of people that never change and always stay the same. DC is refreshing in that it is always refreshed - a new year of college students, a new administration, a new anything. Maybe I'm using cliches, but when I cross the northeast border, I don't see "real" DC or "authentic" DC, I just see another part. In some ways a hard or a sad part, but in other ways a strong part steeped in history. Northeast itself was somewhat of a contradiction in positives and negatives. It's just a (very) different side of the same coin.

DC itself is a very different city from any other one because of the cultural/race/socioeconomic differences, because of the concentration on politics, because of the unique history and status of the city/district. You can certainly find fake things in the city, but in my experiences here it would be impossible for me to view it as all or even mostly fake. I am very content here and was certainly biased on staying for law school -- I only applied to schools here. Maybe as you said , I just haven't gotten sick of it. But if I get sick of the city, I think it would be from a sense of familiarity and a desire to move on rather than feeling that it was fake.

My two cents.

I hadn't even considered this. I wonder how often this happens. Seems like it's a recipe for major burnout, though.
Awesome deal but the burnout would be a concern. My job isn't law related and while 50 hours now will be 40 soon. Law all the time even at work and almost certainly more than 40 hours would be tough at school, but then again, I guess grades don't matter!

Good point.

How do you find FT work + law school? Do you have any free time?
I'll have to let you know :) Gonna be a 1L @ GW next year.

I can speak to doing the second half of my undergrad part time while working, once as many as 18 credits. Sometimes I had free time, but often I didn't.

Realizing that law school will be tougher, my job is letting me shift a lot of responsibility before it starts, so I think it'll be doable. I'll block off 12-2PM for a long lunch/study break each day, with classes 6-8 two nights and 6-10 two other nights. My office is a block from the law school so the commute is practically 0, and my home is a pretty short commute too.

I figure if this all would ever work, this is probably the best setup, so we'll have to see. I'm hoping :)

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