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saw a thread like this yesterday and I thought it was a good idea. Any takers?

I'm looking at two different schools, and one striking difference between them is that one of the schools has a course listing which is much more expansive than the other's --- courses cover more "focus" areas, specific topics, etc. and there is a greater number of choices overall.

Could this be a "quality vs. quantity" issue? Or are there some good advantages to specific coursework?

Loyola has the more narrow / generalized curriculum
DePaul has a lot more elective / seminar choices and seemingly more specific

these links (showing courses falling under a similar type of "certificate program") kind of illustrate it - just note the 2 sites aren't exactly parallel in how they list the courses:

Also, I realize I'm not going to be taking a ton of electives, and that a J.D. is a fairly uniform degree - at least I realize that much.

Any help is greatly appreciated,
...but could you try and not let too much prejudice over the schools themselves override the question?

Thanks for the help!

Choosing the Right Law School / Is there a "step below biglaw???"...
« on: March 24, 2007, 06:45:52 PM »
...Or is it more like a cliff at the edge of the plateau?

If anyone has insight on this that would be huge.

Here's what I had on another thread, illustrating my concerns:

If I could get a job starting around 80 K (?) with a firm that is “a step below biglaw” in a big city (my scenario would be Chicago) doing litigation --- how is the type of work, and opportunities for advancement, etc. going to be different from those of your typical "biglaw" position (e.g. in an office w/ several hundred lawyers that starts off first year associates with 135 K a year yadayadayada)?

I'm trying to get a grip on the big picture before I invest all this money and I'd appreciate the help…

…Ha, in the meantime, I have so much to learn ---went to the Loyola-Chicago ASD today, and the administrators read off some statistics. One of the scarier ones was that most ppl did not have a job lined up upon graduation. But I want to focus on this (or at least the part I managed to partially transcribe):

The numbers showed that about 40% of graduates (I forgot if this was total or just within those who did private practice) worked in firms with between 2-10 lawyers, and that they averaged only about 50K per year.

About 10% worked in firms with between 26-50, and I think they said they averaged about 80 K per year.
And then 15% firms bigger than that, who made the big money, etc...

It does seem like maybe there is a somewhat significant dropoff outside of the biglaw arena --- I'm having a hard time envisioning all this. 

I need to take care of myself, etc. but I don't necessarily need to kill myself over making the best salary when it boils down to it (although I'd imagine I might wind up practically killing myself and not making great money anyways - probably the more likely scenario)... BUT I HAVE A BIGGER CONCERN I would hope *quality* of the firm's output is not compromised that much as soon as you leave those "elite firms" and go a level smaller... I guess I wish I knew a lot more about this. 

Choosing the Right Law School / How Important Are LRAP's???
« on: March 19, 2007, 06:04:19 PM »
I haven't been planning on doing govt or public interest work straight out of law school, but you never know... I do want to keep an open mind.  I've been leaning towards DePaul lately - but I am concerned about them not having a LRAP set up...

(that's--- loan - repayment - assistance - program --- i take it the terms really vary with each school, but generally, they pay (or at least help to pay) your bills if you're making less than 40K a year and meet the other terms needed to qualify


Was just talking to my brother about engineering grad school --- I starting looking up USN rankings, he was like "whatever, youre crazy"

Does any other profession even come close to law in taking the rankings seriously?

...then come back and nailed it?

I took my test 4 months ago --- I would like to think that I can do better.  I've thought of going in just for kicks in June of 2006 (assuming --- and I haven't looked into this yet--- there are no ethical qualms with that if you're already admitted at schools and due to enroll in the fall?)

---If were to raise my LSAT from a 160 to past Mr. Ivy's "beyond retardation" mark I might hold off for a year and re-apply.

Anyone have any opinions on this or better yet relevant experience?

I'm in at DePaul ($$$) and Loyola (no $ yet), and deferred at Kent (I figure I should get into their night program at least).

Anyways, I'm thinking if I live in Chicago I'll probably commute from the burbs to school (1.5 to 2 hrs each way when you tally it all up - ride to train, train ride, walk, etc - but it is possible to do some studying via laptop) 

Housing is fairly expensive in the city but I guess it is an option eventually. Even at that, some ppl have advised me that an actual campus for l.s. can be very nice b/c you can get to hanging out at the library first thing in the morning etc... also could be good to get out of the house...

Right now, I don't have options away from home that are as good of reputations as those in the city: I'm in @ Gonzaga and Marquette among others, those are probably the best atm, though Marquette is urban too, I would live right by campus.... Potentially the best options could be U of Oregon, Case Western, Miami, or if any of the several "less liklies" (e.g. lots of Big 10 Schools) come through. 

Another big consideration is getting a job when I get out: Will I have a hard time marketing myself, for example, if I go to Oregon, and try and land a job in another city (possibly back in Chicago)? Are the odds that I would all in all have a better shot at a better job if I stuck around in Chicago just because it is a superior market? I know ppl say that you might get stuck in the area of a "regional" school - I'm unsure, however, whether this is (a) the economic "stuck to the region" function they say it is or if (b) it is simply b/c most ppl were from that region or just plan on staying in that region to bein with, and in actuality, if it is a halfway decent T2 school, anyone with a decent amount of ambition and good marks can find jobs in many different regions.

I'm interested in ANY perspective.

I'm thinking also of visiting U of O before I even have gotten my acceptance letter, and meeting w/ admissions. They have this big environmental law conference coming up soon. Is that a rediculous idea: throwing down $750 before I know I'm in to go visit? Will it help my chances? I think their numbers are just about the same as DePaul... but who knows what they will think... had a good conversation w/ the Asst. Director of Admission today.


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